Mech IG won ard boys as I understand.
I know how lash works, but things like buildings in the center of the table can play a big part is staying away from it.
Ard boys ist an exact measure of the entire tournament scene. I judged the first round at specialties games here in san angelo and judged second round in callen texas.
No elder at the first round, Shooty marines took first.
Elder won second round.
Thats part of the reason i'm a fan of the "X factor" Look at the 5th placer for ard boys. He was a weird vanilla list with things like thunder cannon.
There is a certain skill to list ratio I believe in. Essentially the cutter lists, like lash, various mech lists, nidzilla are great when in the hands of evenly matched opponents. But true winners usually are greatly skilled players with lists that pack alot of things most players would consider "odd" but these choices simply require alot of skill to use their full potential. Like wise, the same player using a cutter list would only do average because of the limited capabilities of the list.
For instance. Lash is very good against any footslogging army. You can teach anyone the gist of the list in like 10 minutes. Not the finest points, but well enough to beat players of the same caliber most of the time. However the lists that I see do above average are always extremly odd and at first glance look like they were built by someone with no idea on how to play the game. In the hands of the normal joe, these lists would get stomped. In the hands of the master that built them, they win tournaments.
The guy that took first round here was a shooty marine player using a marneus calger. He beat a well made mech guard player, a lash, and a ork list, max points on first two games and like a minor on the last, only because the ork player intentionally turtled in order to not give this guy max points.
The list that I saw that took 5th at ard boys was even weirder, he had a thunder cannon for god sakes.
Also something can be said for the simple ways that cutter lists are shut down. Its no surprise to me that IG won, I havent seen the list yet but the ability to take a board wide phychic hood, with mystics and a PBS for orks noobs and other "unit of awesome" lists just seems a really easy way to cut down most lists with investing minimal points. Something like <300 pts in a 2500 to put a knife in the side of 75% of lists out there is unreal.
Id also like to go into the huge gap in metagame from 2500 to 1850. The smaller the points the much more cut throat certain "luxeries" become. And you also have armies with certain "point thresholds" but i'll save that for another time. I apolagise for the grammer and/or spelling but its late, Il correct later.
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Subject: Re: 1850 Marine List 
Thu Sep 24, 2009 3:22 am
