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kainthedragoonx
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CaptainHonkey
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|  Subject: Re: Salamander Space Marines  Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:10 pm | |
| And its cool that in the new marines codex Assault Marines are cheapier to 
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kainthedragoonx
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CaptainHonkey
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| | Subject: Re: Salamander Space Marines Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:38 pm | |
| True. Now mabye i wont scatter and die as much 
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archite666
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| | Subject: Re: Salamander Space Marines Thu Jul 02, 2009 8:54 pm | |
| | wittdooley wrote: | Ugh...Don't run bikes and speeders with Vulkan as a salamander. It completely goes against everything that the Salamanders and their home world are about. Nocturne has fucked up gravity and is volcanic, so they rarely---and I mean rarely as in never---use speeders and bikes.
Just my 2c though... I like to keep my armies true to fluff. That's why I don't have a Shrike army yet....I don't have enough beakie heads. |
*shakes fists* But don't you want to win?!?!
No seriously, its cool you can take the high road and play the game the way it was ment, I envy that as we all know hot cheddar flows though my veins.
Even without a full bike list, I believe a vulkan list could be very decent as you can still make use of him though infantry. |
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HAND OF DUME
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| | Subject: Re: Salamander Space Marines Thu Jul 02, 2009 9:29 pm | |
| Screw the bikes and speeders, he's worth taking to just get twin-linked meltas and flamers, as long as you load out on them. _________________ If the Emperor is the light of Mankind, then I am the eternal darkness he is now lost in. There is no cheese, just whiney rats who lose too much! 2009 D.B. Cooper Con Fall Champion  HELLFISH FOR THE WIN! |
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archite666
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| | Subject: Re: Salamander Space Marines Fri Jul 03, 2009 12:19 am | |
| woah woah, don't go crazy there... bikes are optional sure...ish... speeders? youd be crazy to not take them, oh I could have a free upgraded badass, contesting machine but nahhhh! Unless your talking about fluff....then yeah as keeping with the fluff would serve, that would be as viable as it gets. |
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HAND OF DUME
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| | Subject: Re: Salamander Space Marines Fri Jul 03, 2009 12:58 pm | |
| I wouldn't take them as I shoot them down like swatting flies when ever I play against them. IMO... worthless. Maybe all those players just don't know how to run them. _________________ If the Emperor is the light of Mankind, then I am the eternal darkness he is now lost in. There is no cheese, just whiney rats who lose too much! 2009 D.B. Cooper Con Fall Champion HELLFISH FOR THE WIN! |
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CaptainHonkey
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| | Subject: Re: Salamander Space Marines Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:13 pm | |
| Land Speeder aren't that great now that in 5th edition you can shoot thru cover. Unless you have 1 in a squad and deep strike in with a Multi-Melta, then its a good tank killer
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Ricter
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| | Subject: Re: Salamander Space Marines Fri Jul 03, 2009 7:41 pm | |
| Honestly, I'm going to have to disagree. Land Speeders are probably the best Fast Attack choice for C:SM, hands down. Bike squads aren't worth it unless you have a captain on a bike, and then they're not FA anymore. Attack bikes die easier, have less weapon options, less maneuverability, no deepstrike option, and can get bogged down by terrain and assault, for only 10 less points. Assault Squads are mediocre at best since they can't score anymore. Their idea setup - 2x flamers - doesn't do much more damage than then heavy flamer from the LS, and cost a lot more points. |
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HAND OF DUME
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| | Subject: Re: Salamander Space Marines Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:53 pm | |
| IMO... anything armor 10 all the way around totally sucks! You need to also go flat out to receive a cover save and you can't always rely on terrain to give you one. Deep striking too close and you're toast from even small arms fire. Like I said ...swatting flies.  _________________ If the Emperor is the light of Mankind, then I am the eternal darkness he is now lost in. There is no cheese, just whiney rats who lose too much! 2009 D.B. Cooper Con Fall Champion HELLFISH FOR THE WIN! |
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CaptainHonkey
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| | Subject: Re: Salamander Space Marines Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:09 pm | |
| DUME is right they die way to quick, even against bolters Bikes and Assault squads are the best Fast Attack Choices cause they survive for a long time if you know how to use them and they can perform pretty much any role, Close Combat, Tank Hunters, etc.
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archite666
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| | Subject: Re: Salamander Space Marines Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:37 am | |
| | Ricter wrote: | Honestly, I'm going to have to disagree. Land Speeders are probably the best Fast Attack choice for C:SM, hands down.
Bike squads aren't worth it unless you have a captain on a bike, and then they're not FA anymore.
Attack bikes die easier, have less weapon options, less maneuverability, no deepstrike option, and can get bogged down by terrain and assault, for only 10 less points.
Assault Squads are mediocre at best since they can't score anymore. Their idea setup - 2x flamers - doesn't do much more damage than then heavy flamer from the LS, and cost a lot more points. |
Sorry guys but I have to fanboy with ricter on this one.
You guys probably arnt looking at the overall awesomeness of the landspeeder, its amazing and so many roles including suicide. I dont know if I feel like trying to convince you but id seriously rethink your opnion if you dont think the speeder is awesome. |
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wittdooley
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Location: Cincinnati / Western Hills
| | Subject: Re: Salamander Space Marines Sat Jul 04, 2009 4:47 am | |
| | archite666 wrote: |
Sorry guys but I have to fanboy with ricter on this one.
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Color me purple, I just don't believe it!
Disagree about the speeders. I think they are too easy to take out to be worth the point values. Couple that with the fact that, unlike Bikers or Assault troops, they don't have any kind of armour save, and I'd much rather take either of those as a means to tie something up.
I guess I'm not a huge fan of the idea of "suiciding" units; if I'm paying the points for them, I'd rather have them be survivable.
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archite666
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| | Subject: Re: Salamander Space Marines Sat Jul 04, 2009 6:13 am | |
| | wittdooley wrote: | | archite666 wrote: |
Sorry guys but I have to fanboy with ricter on this one.
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Color me purple, I just don't believe it!
Disagree about the speeders. I think they are too easy to take out to be worth the point values. Couple that with the fact that, unlike Bikers or Assault troops, they don't have any kind of armour save, and I'd much rather take either of those as a means to tie something up.
I guess I'm not a huge fan of the idea of "suiciding" units; if I'm paying the points for them, I'd rather have them be survivable. |
Well this alone speaks volumes of your tactics.
FYI, playing tag along when someone is joking at their own expense, sorta voids the joke, don't know if anyone ever told ya that.
Kind of like how no must have told ya that a fast moving 60 pt multi melta is an extremly viable.
And I mispoke, as its role is alpha strike not suicide. Il have to hold class some other day though.  |
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