Orcs and Gobbos

Initiate Joined : 27 Nov 2007 Posts : 359

Any suggestions on a fantasy Orcs and Gobbo army???

Subject: Re: Orcs and Gobbos Thu May 22, 2008 1:29 am

Depends whatYou wanna do? The O&G are easily the most diversed army in the game.
Fast, Slow, Weedy, Hand to Hand, Scary, Kooky, Fun, Slaughter, Brutish, WTF, 50/50...
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Sergeant Joined : 06 Jan 2008 Posts : 623

Two for one slot Bolt Throwers is a hoot. Killed the Dwarf King in two turns of a mega battle with something like 16 or 18 Bolt Throwers. Although the White Dwarf did have his vengence elsewhere.

Haven't used there newer book so I have no idea how good the newly returned Spider Riders are.

But I can say what has been good. Cheep Bolt Throwers, Goblin Fanatics, ganging up on enemy units for combat res. One theory also that goblin wolf riders with bows may be good. The current edition is trying to bring back Fast Cav by allowing them to march and shoot. In the last edition since Skirmishers were able to always march and shoot people generally kept away from the higher point cost Fast Cav.

In short Goblin Wolf Riders may be excellent warmachine/lone character hunters who can harras the side and rear flanks of enemey units. The guy (Ben) who played gobo lists in 6th used to focus on them with spears, that was a better option back then.

With the ganging up bit. If one can pull it off every army has at least one cheep core unit. It is when using these guys in sync with a 'harder' unit to win combat res through Unit Strength, Ranks, and hopefully canceling enemy ranks that win combats big. With a base cost of 3 pts on Goblins their Strenth 3 & Toughness 3 lets them laugh at my zombies at 4 points with a whole lotta '2s'.

One approach of blocked units with multi-ranked orcs or black orcs can work so long as they are not rellied on for just their killing potential alone. The Orc and Goblin army can be a complicated organism. Losing some fingers (i.e. Fast Cav outriding) to protect the heart (i.e. unit of Black Orcs) can seriously effect the flow of a battle.

Alternatively you can go big green. Probably save money and have some mean looking figs out. Not something I'd recommend against an enemy who is a good general. My approach against a big green force would be lock these expensive units in drawn out combats with foot infantry (where it doesn't matter who they cut down if I can raise them again) and then use my manuever ellement to get in the flank charges. Sometimes the manuver ellement gets in the charge that the ranked foot infantry then shows up and provides the combat res (not the ideal situation but it happens).

Subject: Re: Orcs and Gobbos Thu May 22, 2008 3:32 pm

I thinks ya need to play Orcs more or play against them more.
Teh Goblin Bolt thrower is not all that great... Yes it has potential, but not that great.
I would take a Lobba over the chukka any day. Teh wolves are ok but I like to have a combonation of Spiders and wolves in my Gobbo army.
Any GOOD goblin army would not allow the big uglies to get "tied down by crap troops. Tahts what our crap troops are for, Goblins! except oh yeah guess which ones have the fanatics!!!
I do like Orc Magic...when it works. The Squigs are really cool too! I always throw a goblin boss on a giant Cave squig nowa days!!! just tons o fun! Teh hoppers are not as cool as they used to be but for sure a distraction the enemy cannot ignore.
Doom Divers are ok once again not as good as they used to be.
Don't forget your clumsy Giant or sweetness as I like to call him... Trolls are good to have a boss with! No point in taking Orc Arrer boyz really. More boyz and pile in behind teh Gobbos, they don't care if, sorry, when the goblins break.
I personally love boarboyz as a supporting role to my black orcs but tahts just me. I know I'm missing stuff but I don't have my stuff here at work...
I'll talk with ya soon.
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Subject: Re: Orcs and Gobbos Thu May 22, 2008 4:19 pm

Sergeant Joined : 06 Jan 2008 Posts : 623

Subject: Re: Orcs and Gobbos Thu May 22, 2008 5:50 pm

Some of the important things you boys are forgetting is the factor of how the person plays. You could have two identical armies play and they will respond differently due to that major factor there. Something to keep in mind folks.
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Subject: Re: Orcs and Gobbos Thu May 22, 2008 7:23 pm

I wasnt bashing no one I was just throwin my two cents in cause all of you have your good points. I was more pointing that for Kaaden to keep in mind what works for him.
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Sergeant Joined : 06 Jan 2008 Posts : 623

Sorry at my age use of "boys" isn't possitive.

With you one hundred precent on the importance of developing a defind mindset when first taking up an army.

Initiate Joined : 27 Nov 2007 Posts : 359

Ha.. I have no idea what works for me. Just trying to make good purchases I wont regret and have fun w you guys

Subject: Re: Orcs and Gobbos Fri May 23, 2008 9:05 am

Ok regardless of how you will play the O&G I suggest buying like 3 boxes of Skull Pass...
Sell/Trade the dwarfs to someone else, or have a second army to play.
Those 3 box sets will give you a great start to an O&G army. I would also suggest heading to origins for Orcs. Last year I picked up 2 of the box sets of 6th ed. (ORcs vs. Empire) for $20!!! One dealer had big tupper ware bins full of metal minis for a $1 ea. and plastic was $0.25 ea. Needless to say I bought an ass load for real damn cheap and plan to do it again. If your not going let me know maybe we can work something out!
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Initiate Joined : 27 Nov 2007 Posts : 359

Yea I'm sure I'll have to work. But maybe we can work something out cuz that would be crazy sweet!!!

Subject: Re: Orcs and Gobbos Fri May 23, 2008 1:06 pm

Dude, the sweet part about OG and is that they have all the awesome! You want to run horde? Got it! Elite beatdown army? That too! alien

Don't listen to any of these dudes! I am the supreme fantasy expert! testing out the smack talk!

What you gotta do is get at least one unit of Black Orcs...that way you got at least one unit that will do what you want it to do. Plus Black Orcs are arrow magnets...which means they die while everything else get's into combat.

Also, make sure you are paying attention when you are building your units of Goblins/Night Goblins. With the "Must be 5 men wide" for ranks, and with the sizes of the Golbin bases, it's better to run 6x6 units instead of 5x8

forget one or the other, take both...I am referring to Speak Chukkas and Rock Lobbas! farao

O, and Black Orc Warbosses roXXor.

Anyway, I could ramble on and on and on about the sweetness that is Orcs and Gobbos. The Wife plays them and she loves'em...I've played them and I love'em.

o...and always remember:

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!
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Subject: Re: Orcs and Gobbos Fri May 23, 2008 1:22 pm

Make sure you read the small writing that was quite funny kain. LOL.
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Losses - 4 Damn Orks and Matt
Draws - 1 with the green skins again