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PostSubject: Buckeye Battles is coming...   Wed Mar 18, 2009 2:33 am

July 11-12 outside Columbus, OH
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PostSubject: Re: Buckeye Battles is coming...   Sun Apr 05, 2009 11:17 pm

We are about half full with 30 already planning to attend.
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PostSubject: Re: Buckeye Battles is coming...   Fri May 08, 2009 1:40 am

42 signed up. We have 8 spots left. We might be able to swing 10 more after that. Working on that.
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PostSubject: Re: Buckeye Battles is coming...   Fri May 08, 2009 2:09 am

Would love to play just a matter of my Class schedule...

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PostSubject: Re: Buckeye Battles is coming...   Fri May 08, 2009 1:01 pm

Even though I hate tourneys, I will consider it if we have enough going from Cinci to form a team.
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PostSubject: Re: Buckeye Battles is coming...   Fri May 08, 2009 7:12 pm

I know I will not be going this year, before I go to another tournament I want to get in more game time which doesnt seem to be happening lately
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PostSubject: Re: Buckeye Battles is coming...   Sat May 16, 2009 12:02 am

you know, I never used to go to tourneys. Thought they were full of broken armies and jerks. But I wanted to help our club so I ran the tourneys. Found out that all sorts of fun people with neat armies and lists showed up. So I started playing in them. I will say if you are not a good player and willing to learn, you will learn more at a tourney than 2 months of game nights in my experience. This is because you get so much packed in a weekend, you can put to use things game 2 you learned from in game 1 and keeps building. So you remember more and learn more. You also get to talk warhammer to guys outside your circle that have different tactics, thoughts on certain units etc, that can help you become a better player. I usually come off of playing in a tourney wanting to play more than I did before the event. Just something exciting about it.

Anyway, it is fairly cheap, a good experience for a group to go as a team that can solidify your local club, and motivational for learning the game and seeing cool stuff painted well.

I do hope some of you can make it. We now have 58 planning to come.
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PostSubject: Re: Buckeye Battles is coming...   Sat May 16, 2009 4:27 am

What I liked about the online info (and emails) last year is you guys seemed to have your act together. Rules, lodging support, etc. Kudos.

The overnight part might keep me out again this year. That and now that crappy deathtrap car is gone, so walking or riding to work these days, and borrowing a car isn't often possible. Sad

Although just getting ready for your tourney last year got ALLOT of mini's done. Woots.
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PostSubject: Re: Buckeye Battles is coming...   Sat May 16, 2009 1:01 pm

Seeing as graduation is July 9th, I'm back to painting Empire..

I wont commit unless I'm fully painted.. need that carrot Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: Buckeye Battles is coming...   Mon May 18, 2009 1:33 am

So if someone with a car commits, Bob might come? Question

We just got our 60th guy to sign up. 20 paid, so 40 spots that are 1st paid 1st held.


Marc we would love to get you up here.

anyone going to the Origins RTT?
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PostSubject: Re: Buckeye Battles is coming...   Mon May 18, 2009 7:38 pm

Do we have anyone but me willing to commit for sure? If we have enough for a team, I will go.
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PostSubject: Re: Buckeye Battles is coming...   Sun Jun 07, 2009 1:18 am

update

we have 75 signed up for 70 spots. 48 paid. 1st 70 to pay are in. So you can still get in ahead of the procrastinators.
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PostSubject: Re: Buckeye Battles is coming...   Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:17 pm

For the sake of sanity here is the dirrect link to the event. http://www.buckeyebattles.com/

Adriving from here done on Saturday will require a dark and evil departure time like 6-6:30 am.

Not sure about a hotel. If a car is rented I'd probably crash in that.
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PostSubject: Re: Buckeye Battles is coming...   Sat Jun 20, 2009 5:06 pm

We are down to less than 10 spots available. 64 paid with 6 spots left. If CAG wants to send a few, its time to sign up. We would love to have you. If not, hopefully next year.
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PostSubject: Re: Buckeye Battles is coming...   Sun Jun 21, 2009 11:18 pm

i am very interested in this, as i have never been in a tourny environment much less a fantasy one, it does seem like a challenge.

I have a few questions, how does this Band group system work?

And what is the Swiss system?

Also, lets say I were to sign up and pay, but for some reason its too late, or I am the 71st person to pay, what would happen then?


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PostSubject: Re: Buckeye Battles is coming...   Tue Jun 23, 2009 4:46 pm

pricosaint wrote:
I have a few questions, how does this Band group system work?

Funny, that was my first question for Jeff last year.

Bands is a system that is supposed to help group players of similar levels for the first round or first day. Using some kind of system or guidlines armies are rated by how powerful they are built. That way those who bring fluff armies will always face another fluff army for the first game. People who bring very competative forces aren't given away an easy fight.
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And what is the Swiss system?

Basically the people are paired by how many victory points they have. Essentially the top players with the most points face off and the pairings work down from there. Depending on the method deadlocks can be settled several ways, a randomized roll, a history of battles (with computers some CCGs actually can take this over a persons many tournement visits) so people don't face the same person, sometimes a simple judgment call from an organizer.
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Also, lets say I were to sign up and pay, but for some reason its too late, or I am the 71st person to pay, what would happen then?
These guys have a history of running a solid tournemnt. In no small part why it carries on with such numbers from year to year. If there was a mistake you'd get your money back. Jeff is pretty dedicated to the event and wouldn't let a payment error jepordize the legacy.
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PostSubject: Re: Buckeye Battles is coming...   Tue Jun 23, 2009 5:01 pm

The Swiss system is part of why I don't like tourneys. How you place in a swiss tourney doesn't really show how good you are. I played a Confrontation tourney a while back using the Swiss method. I was in second place and undefeated going into the final round. My opponent was the guy who won it, he was in first. My dice went flat, his dice were hot and I placed 8th in the tourney behind 2 of the 3 people I had beaten in earlier rounds. One of them I had beaten very solidly.
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PostSubject: Re: Buckeye Battles is coming...   Tue Jun 23, 2009 5:59 pm

No, it doesn't show how good you are, it shows how well you performed in that tournament. Typically, your strength of schedule is used to break ties in records, but if they have a better record than you, they'll place higher.
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PostSubject: Re: Buckeye Battles is coming...   Tue Jun 23, 2009 6:44 pm

Ricter wrote:
No, it doesn't show how good you are, it shows how well you performed in that tournament. Typically, your strength of schedule is used to break ties in records, but if they have a better record than you, they'll place higher.


Conf used victory points then broke ties w/ AP won/loss. So you could easily beat an opponent AP wise but still pull out a small margin of victory on objectives (or even lose)

Over the course of several events a ranking system was developed to better seed people going into round 1 of an event.

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PostSubject: Re: Buckeye Battles is coming...   Tue Jun 23, 2009 8:02 pm

No, it doesn't show how good you are, it shows how well you performed in that tournament. Typically, your strength of schedule is used to break ties in records, but if they have a better record than you, they'll place higher.

It doesn't show how well I performed, as I stated, 2 people I beat in previous rounds placed higher than I did. I out performed them but lost to them anyway. If a mediocre player plays against mediocre players,he has a good chance of having a better record than a much stronger player. There is a reason they don't do that in the NCAA tourney, they want the championship to be between the best teams. I have always considered round-robin a much better style. It shows what tourneys are suppose to be about. How good a player you are overall. A good example would be a foot race. If the fastest runners start off running against the fastest runners, they could lose to a guy who cannot run nearly as fast in the swiss style. It is easier to see that in something like a foot race because you have lap times to look at. In wargames, it isn't as obvious.

A friend of mine went to a tourney, take a Skaven army that was over 80% core, well painted and he is very easy to get along with. He placed 8th even though he won all 6 of his battles. I will admit that it wasnt' all because of the swiss system, but it makes my point none the less. Wargame tourneys are not about who is best at the game, they are about how liked you are and how many of your friends are there. I have been burn't before on tourneys, people seem to forget about having fun, it is all about the win, nothing else matters. I had considered changing my mind, the last 2 CAG fantasy tourneys I played in where fun, most of the people weren't stressing about winning or lossing, we just enjoyed playing the game. The only reason I playing another is to support CAG.

Anyway, it is only one mans opinion. I can't change the way things are and as long as people enjoy them, they should play.
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