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Scav Initiate


Posts: 371 Join date: 2007-09-20 Age: 20 Location: Cleveland Born, DAAP enslaved
 | Subject: Saturday, April 12th Tue Apr 08, 2008 2:22 am | |
| Who's coming out to sci-fi saturday!?!?! I've had a hard start to this quarter, and my only mental relief has been thinking about playing 40k this weekend! I will get up and be there as early as anyone is able to take me haha (matt, steve, cj) Games I want to play: -Some friendly and quick 1000 pts games with my new necrons vs anything -Apoc game where i can use the aspect assault wave.. or proxy the shadow sect of karandras Steve bring my eldar codex! haha if you want to use any of my things, just ask. I can entertain myself haha. I will PM you all I have... |
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Angry Bob Sergeant

Posts: 757 Join date: 2008-01-06
 | Subject: Re: Saturday, April 12th Tue Apr 08, 2008 2:58 am | |
| Working (actual paying work) this Saturday. I'm still trying to figure out what future Saturdays can work and post them. Hope you all have a blast. With Apok we need to get the table situation figured out. The table tops are mounted to the storage areas so other than emptying them out and turning two entire tables we are limited with 4' wide boards. Thinking about just brining in a crude 6' x 8' board in two pieces. My car is small but that hasn't stopped me from tying things unto the roof before. |
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Matt CAG Founder

Posts: 3416 Join date: 2007-08-20 Location: Cincinnati, OH
 | Subject: Re: Saturday, April 12th Tue Apr 08, 2008 4:05 am | |
| I'll make it up there I think. Although I refuse to play Apocalypse  Gimme a call later in the week to make sure I'm going Ryan _________________ Dark Angels 1750 win/loss Record Win - 23 (Belial helped wreck Ryan's puny Eldar) Loss - 13 (Brice's Necrons wiped me) Draw - 2 (The 13th hold out in alpha take and hold)
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Steve Initiate


Posts: 275 Join date: 2007-09-24 Age: 24
 | Subject: Re: Saturday, April 12th Tue Apr 08, 2008 5:17 am | |
| I can be there this Saturday as early as 10, the usual. I can give you ride if you need one Ryan. And if you let me use your eldar, then you will have full range of my necron models, so you can play more than a 1000 if you want. |
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Qoltar Initiate


Posts: 361 Join date: 2008-03-27 Age: 44 Location: Colerain Township, Ohio
 | Subject: Re: Saturday, April 12th Tue Apr 08, 2008 5:39 am | |
| | Angry Bob wrote: |
With Apok we need to get the table situation figured out. The table tops are mounted to the storage areas so other than emptying them out and turning two entire tables we are limited with 4' wide boards. Thinking about just brining in a crude 6' x 8' board in two pieces. My car is small but that hasn't stopped me from tying things unto the roof before. |
If you're talking about the tables at Sci-FI - then I'm a little nervous about messing with them. Those tables were built by the manager who is above Eric. In other words: Eric's manager and boss.
Is there some other way around this dilemma?
Maybe start some battles on the plastic grey tables then continue onto the bigger main miniatures tables?
- Ed C.
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Matt CAG Founder

Posts: 3416 Join date: 2007-08-20 Location: Cincinnati, OH
 | Subject: Re: Saturday, April 12th Tue Apr 08, 2008 1:11 pm | |
| | Quote: | Is there some other way around this dilemma? |
Yes there is, we just don't play apocalypse. Just one of many reasons not to play that drivel. _________________ Dark Angels 1750 win/loss Record Win - 23 (Belial helped wreck Ryan's puny Eldar) Loss - 13 (Brice's Necrons wiped me) Draw - 2 (The 13th hold out in alpha take and hold)
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JMarv The MathHammer

Posts: 914 Join date: 2007-08-20 Location: Evendale, OH
 | Subject: Re: Saturday, April 12th Tue Apr 08, 2008 2:50 pm | |
| Yeah, I agree with Matt. I think Apocalypse can be fun for the kinds of themed battles BoLS does, or with a few players with well taylored forces. But the dozen people plopping everything down on the table just doesn't seem to work well for me. Plus we really need a 6' by 10' table such that things on either end of the table might actually see each other during the battle. I think it might also help to have more massive point sinks like titans too, cause just moving all the infantry around takes so long. Personally I like a high action/hour ratio. And I find that Apoc games just take too long. I'd way rather play 5 normal point games. |
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Marc Fantasy Moderator

Posts: 2126 Join date: 2007-08-20 Location: Milford
 | Subject: Re: Saturday, April 12th Tue Apr 08, 2008 4:58 pm | |
| Hell, me and Steve burned thru a 1750pt game in 2 hours today  _________________ 2nd place is the 1st loser
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JMarv The MathHammer

Posts: 914 Join date: 2007-08-20 Location: Evendale, OH
 | Subject: Re: Saturday, April 12th Tue Apr 08, 2008 5:08 pm | |
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Scav Initiate


Posts: 371 Join date: 2007-09-20 Age: 20 Location: Cleveland Born, DAAP enslaved
 | Subject: Re: Saturday, April 12th Tue Apr 08, 2008 5:09 pm | |
| that sounds like much more fun to me.. as unplanned apoc has not worked out incredibly well for us haha if we do it we must plan it.. so lets all just meet up... bring 1500, 1750, and 1000 pt lists that are PRE MADE. we will then just circlejerk as manny battles as everyone can stay for. woot! |
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Marc Fantasy Moderator

Posts: 2126 Join date: 2007-08-20 Location: Milford
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Angry Bob Sergeant

Posts: 757 Join date: 2008-01-06
 | Subject: Re: Saturday, April 12th Tue Apr 08, 2008 6:58 pm | |
| | Qoltar wrote: | | Is there some other way around this dilemma? |
My thought was brining in some boards. If they could be kept there. Yes I agree messing with the heavy bulky tables is impractical. [quote="Qoltar"]Maybe start some battles on the plastic grey tables that continue into the bigger main miniatures tables? [quote] Just measured them on Sunday. Unfortunatly no dice. |
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Angry Bob Sergeant

Posts: 757 Join date: 2008-01-06
 | Subject: Re: Saturday, April 12th Tue Apr 08, 2008 7:06 pm | |
| | Matt wrote: | | Quote: | Is there some other way around this dilemma? |
Yes there is, we just don't play apocalypse. Just one of many reasons not to play that drivel. | Having played so many of the regular 40K games they can be rather stale.
Speaking of drivel 1750pt games fit that bill nicely. People really need to start to achieve at least 2k and get out of the kiddy games.
If the issue is people wanting fast games, drop to 1k. I like lower point totals when a campaign is going on and time is an issue. For regular casual games it gets boring. |
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JMarv The MathHammer

Posts: 914 Join date: 2007-08-20 Location: Evendale, OH
 | Subject: Re: Saturday, April 12th Tue Apr 08, 2008 7:12 pm | |
| We use 1750 because that is the standard US tournament point value. Why do you like 2000 more? Different armies perform differently as the point value scales. Try playing Necrons below 1000 pts. They are terrible. At 500 pts they have to take 2 10 man warrior squads and a lord. That's all they can do. Some armies play better the more points you go up, other start to fizzle out. My army is actually capped at 2250. I feel like 1500-1750 is a good region where most armies are equally balanced. |
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Matt CAG Founder

Posts: 3416 Join date: 2007-08-20 Location: Cincinnati, OH
 | Subject: Re: Saturday, April 12th Tue Apr 08, 2008 7:15 pm | |
| Yeah in 40k 1750 is pretty good. Bob, how often do you play 40k anyway? 40k at 1750 is solid, competitive, fast and fun imo. 2k is a good time too. but 10k a side... give me a break. _________________ Dark Angels 1750 win/loss Record Win - 23 (Belial helped wreck Ryan's puny Eldar) Loss - 13 (Brice's Necrons wiped me) Draw - 2 (The 13th hold out in alpha take and hold)
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Angry Bob Sergeant

Posts: 757 Join date: 2008-01-06
 | Subject: Re: Saturday, April 12th Tue Apr 08, 2008 10:23 pm | |
| | JMarv wrote: | | We use 1750 because that is the standard US tournament point value. Why do you like 2000 more? | Variety. The games get a bit repetitious at lower point values. Many of the earlier groups ended up increasing the points to get that company-over-platoon feel. That and it encourages min-maxing.
1750 works well enough for tournaments because the games need to finish fast. Or 1850 for a number of years at Origins and Gencon, not sure what the current points are. My suspicion is that even pushing it just up to 1850 starts to make organized tournaments slow down.| JMarv wrote: | | Different armies perform differently as the point value scales. Try playing Necrons below 1000 pts. They are terrible. At 500 pts they have to take 2 10 man warrior squads and a lord. That's all they can do. | I've noticed that myself. AT the lower values it gets pretty clear which army has the worse under point value on troops (or over in some cases). |
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Angry Bob Sergeant

Posts: 757 Join date: 2008-01-06
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bojesphob1 Sergeant


Posts: 784 Join date: 2007-12-14 Location: West Side!
 | Subject: Re: Saturday, April 12th Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:11 pm | |
| I might try to make it out this saturday.... not sure yet if I will be able to or not yet, but I'll try to bring my IG. Not sure on my point total yet, I'll have to do some figuring. |
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Matt CAG Founder

Posts: 3416 Join date: 2007-08-20 Location: Cincinnati, OH
 | Subject: Re: Saturday, April 12th Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:15 pm | |
| | Quote: | | My suspicion is that even pushing it just up to 1850 starts to make organized tournaments slow down. |
That isn't the reason. The 'ard boyz tournament was 2500 points and it was easy to finish within the time limit (only 30mins on top of the GT limit). I feel that it is a much more competitive number, prevents certain point heavy but broken combos and so on. _________________ Dark Angels 1750 win/loss Record Win - 23 (Belial helped wreck Ryan's puny Eldar) Loss - 13 (Brice's Necrons wiped me) Draw - 2 (The 13th hold out in alpha take and hold)
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Marc Fantasy Moderator

Posts: 2126 Join date: 2007-08-20 Location: Milford
 | Subject: Re: Saturday, April 12th Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:32 pm | |
| Trust me.. the drop from 1850 to 1750 is quite brutal. You really need to know your army.. _________________ 2nd place is the 1st loser
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