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PostSubject: Mathhammer.. HEAR MY CALL!!!   Mathhammer.. HEAR MY CALL!!! EmptyWed Apr 23, 2008 11:31 am

hey man.. who wants to run some numbers for me?

how many marines/MEQ's does a full squad of howling banshees, plus exarch with executioner, and a farseer who dooms the squad.

heres the stats...

initiative 10
WS of exarch 5, banshees 4
all have 3 attacks on charge
exarch has S5 power weapon
all others have s3, power weapons
re-roll to wound (doomseer)

how about 6 harlequins?
4 harlies.. I6 WS6 S4 rending
1 shadowseer.. same stats
1 troupe master.. ws6 S4 power weapon


Moderators.. if you want me to take this info down thats fine i can PM it to jmarv or something (i wasnt sure how legal it was).. maybe i should have just done that.. haha sorry then. Mod as necessary..
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PostSubject: Re: Mathhammer.. HEAR MY CALL!!!   Mathhammer.. HEAR MY CALL!!! EmptyWed Apr 23, 2008 12:49 pm

I just noticed this was a post as well and will enlighten all of you.

There are a few things I am unsure about, mainly the number of attacks of harlies on the charge and the size of a "full squad" of executioners. I will assume 4 and 9+exarch respectively until informed otherwise.

The dire avengers with their doomed rerolls manage to get 7.5 kills average in on MEq opponents. This is due to the lack of an armor save and rerolls to wound which are really important for S3 weapons. Remove the doom and it falls to 4.5. The Exarch pitches in with 1.77 kills for a total of 9.27 - nasty.

6 Harlies on the otherhand (assuming 4 attacks, 5 for leader) will manage to kill 5 from the renders and 1.67 from the powerweapon like guy. Of these 5 kills 3.33 will be from rends.

Under new rumored 5th rending this drops to 3.7 for the squad (leader remains unchanged) with 2.22 of these coming from rends.

Ryan I will email you a complete probability distribution (i.e. what is the likelyhood of doing at least 4 wounds or I need to kill 12 how likely is that later)
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PostSubject: Re: Mathhammer.. HEAR MY CALL!!!   Mathhammer.. HEAR MY CALL!!! EmptyWed Apr 23, 2008 2:45 pm

DUDE excellent. i love banshees on the charge.. Smile

but yeah the banshees squad is 9 plus 1 exarch

harlies can vary.. but 6 in a falcon get 4 attacks a piece on the charge. they all have equal stats.


after rending rules change (and skimmer rules).. i will probably only run fire dragons in a falcon.. in uber-competitive play at least.

though 10 harlies on foot is still a probability.. -_- heh...

so what about 10 harlies on the charge? it would be 8 harlies with 4 rending s4 attacks.. then a troupe master that simply gets 5 s4 rending attacks on the charge.. and one would be a death jester.. which is just 3 s3 attacks on the charge no rending.
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PostSubject: Re: Mathhammer.. HEAR MY CALL!!!   Mathhammer.. HEAR MY CALL!!! EmptyWed Apr 23, 2008 2:47 pm

*tosses in a few more Flamers for tournament*
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PostSubject: Re: Mathhammer.. HEAR MY CALL!!!   Mathhammer.. HEAR MY CALL!!! EmptyWed Apr 23, 2008 3:56 pm

lol, I agree with Marc. I started play testing one last week, surprisingly good Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Mathhammer.. HEAR MY CALL!!!   Mathhammer.. HEAR MY CALL!!! EmptyWed Apr 23, 2008 4:11 pm

Yeah, when I dropped two pods down so you could flame the whole squad. What did it average, four kills?
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PostSubject: Re: Mathhammer.. HEAR MY CALL!!!   Mathhammer.. HEAR MY CALL!!! EmptyThu Apr 24, 2008 12:47 am

I think it only killed 2 guys both times against you Nathan. The squad broke against the guard on turn 2 and didnt make it back to his lines until my Libby had done all the work.
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