vehicle moving then immobilised.. assaulting

OK, since its running rampant in the other forums i thought id bring it ehre...

SCENARIO
a vehicle moves 12".. then the enemys turn it gets shot.. get immobiles and the enemy assaults it.. what does the enemy need to hit this vehicle?

since its immobile is it auto hit? or since it moved is it 6+??

cases can be made for both.. what do you think?

eplain your answer

Simple, if it can't move it's auto hit. What is up with 40k player on those forums, I just had to explain to some people Nob bikers can't move 12" then assault 12". The rule says Immobilised vehicles are auto-hit. there is no claus or ammendments to the rule.

yea i know.. but some people are saying that "it moved in it previous movement phase and thats what it says".. Im gonna play it as 'its immobile so its auto hit' and just wanted to make sure that noone thought of it as 'cheese'..

The effect is the same it has nothing to do with what it did, as off the shooting phase it's grounded, and in the assault phase it can be autohit. They would have added a "even if it is immobilised in the following shooting phase". You shoot at it, it stops moving, you run in to finish it. The 6+ to hit represents it's moving while you are swinging at it.

Determining what is needed to hit on a vehicle is made by how far it moved in the previous turn, page 63 BRB under "Rolling to hit against vehicles". You would need 6's to hit as it moved over 6" in it's previous movement phase.

I looked this up.

The rulebook is pretty clear. You always auto-hit an immobilized vehicle. Read the chart carefully.

Its says a vehicle that IS immoblized or WAS stationary in its previous turn. The key words are in caps.

I'm actually going to piggy back this question:

It hasn't happened to me really, before, but if an attempt was made to assault and there were no hits, would the vehicle be able to move through?

I'm thinking in terms of reality here with this question, in that if a vehicle were moving, no one hit it, it would stand to reason the vehicle wouldn't just stop. With that being said, I know liberties have to be taken to reality in order to make 40k function.

I browsed through the rulebook, and it seems to indicate that if an assault (even a failed one) is attempted, then the vehicle must stop. Maybe something to think about for 6th ed (hehe). Units assaulting a moving vehicle must make an assault check. If their assault is successful, they take their individual CC attacks. If the assault is unsuccessful, the vehicle may move through as normal, putting all models that attempted to assault at side armour---or even more deviously, treat a vehicle moving at cruising speed with a failed assault attempt as a chariot like in Fantasy and the unit takes X number of impact hits.

Who knows.

Oh yeah, I agree that it's an auto hit because the rulebook states that any vehicle that didn't move or is immobilised is an autohit.

The Mike Leon wrote:

I looked this up.

The rulebook is pretty clear. You always auto-hit an immobilized vehicle. Read the chart carefully.

Its says a vehicle that IS immoblized or WAS stationary in its previous turn. The key words are in caps.

Does it say that exactly....I don't have the rulebook with me but I know it states that if a vehicle moved under 6 you needed 4's to hit and over you need 6's. So if it states "IS" immobilized not "was"S then you would auto hit. If it states was then you would still need 6's or 4's to hit. However because of how they are trying to demenstrate things I would say that more then likely it states "is" and not "was" for the immobilized to represent live action battles.

To quote the chart on page 63...

"Attacking a vehicle that is immobilized or was stationary in the previous turn." = Automatic hit

Notice the "or", meaning in either circumstance it would be auto hits.

Witt, if i understand you question right... When anyone tries to assault a vehicle, and no restult happens, in the vehicles next mvt phase, it can move away,tank shock them etc. There is a rule in the book that says "If the vehicle does not move in its mvt phase the assault continues in the assault phase" So lets say i assault a rhino, imiss entirely,in the rhinos turn it CAN move way but shooses not to, so in the rhinos assault phase the assault continues.

Pg 63 is where these rules are found. Combat results and Sucessive turns

vehicles with no WS are never engaged in combat.

You can assault a rhino and the rhino can keep moving whether it is hit or not. Also the unit that assaulted the rhino can move away on their next turn.

Well shit. Been playing that wrong. So a land raider, because it has with machine spirit, would have to stay, or no?

No because it does not have a WS.

I need to look at my dex...sheesh I suck.

I think wit as that your ok with your raider but not say a dread. idk if i'm thinking along the wrong lines or no.

yea since a deread has a WS it is unable tomove away from combat.. Unless it is in combat with a vehicle without a WS.