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PostSubject: So why do you make a List or How?   Mon Jun 08, 2009 7:36 pm

In light of a previous discussion how do you approach making a list?
A) A tournament
B) Casual Play
C) Blind Play
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D) Friendly Play

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PostSubject: Re: So why do you make a List or How?   Mon Jun 08, 2009 7:44 pm

For me my lists are all designed with the same thing in mind as the main idea behind the list regardless of Tournament or casual play.

I make lists that are Fluffy but mostly fun, if I go to a tourney I'll check over the list for effectiveness and adjust maybe.

I remember when the new Ork Codex first came out and Matt and I played and I made a Bike list with a unit of Nobz on bikes in it (Before we had heard anything about the Nob Bike Lists) I played it because hey finally an all bike list that was useful fluffy and fun to play and i didn't overpower the list with Nob cheese just what an Ork army would have...

My Marines are pretty basic except for the whole 3 drop pods with 2 Ironclad Dreadnaughts and Tiguris with assault Termies (Not in Drop Pods).

I am still trying to figure out the IG but they have so much new fun stuff i can't seem to fit it all into 1750!

I like balanced lists and fluffy nice lists that are fun to play and yes I do want to win but for me the most fun is seeing how good i am a making the lists and brining it to fruition through a win.

I do occasionally try to cheese a list but AS it has been stated before what really is cheese. So here is a nice friendly start to a conversation!

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PostSubject: Re: So why do you make a List or How?   Mon Jun 08, 2009 7:51 pm

All of the Above. One list for B, C, D. It's a balanced take on all comer's list, I'll spare the rod if I'm teaching somebody the game, or making a list for a battle report or campain.

For A I take an Battlewagon and trukk list with a KFF. The list is dead hard and made to counter the top armies.

A gamer in my mind should know when to pull no punches and when to put on the head-gear. I'm way more interested in keeping somebody in the hoppy, that will benifit the gaming store and GW rather than stomp a noob and lose somebody from the hobby. I've been blessed to have been playing for 14 years, and I have enough models to field any list I want, and I know somepeople don't have that. Building for only one type of play leads to the same old boring list or Auto-losing against a counter list. But some fun units have a friedly game and a few laughs try out a new tactic or army. Or if you are going to play the hard list say so before hand to avoid any confusion.
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PostSubject: Re: So why do you make a List or How?   Mon Jun 08, 2009 8:31 pm

I agree if it's a tournament I will build to win, or try too, but I want my list to be challenging and fun I mean I am not going to build to where I don't have a chance in @#ll but for me at this stage every list I build is challenging because I am not as experienced as others.

But I love doing it!
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PostSubject: Re: So why do you make a List or How?   Mon Jun 08, 2009 8:35 pm

I almost always do a list for Blind Play

Works for everything that way Wink

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PostSubject: Re: So why do you make a List or How?   Mon Jun 08, 2009 8:48 pm

I start with the models that I want to paint. Then figure out what it is said unit can do and cannot do. I hit Vassal to see if this collection of wants actually function well together and go from there..

I try (honest) to not let the power gamer creep in as I select a tourney list. Last years White Scars and this years Black Legion lists were quite tame.
...still undefeated in CAG tourney games cheers
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PostSubject: Re: So why do you make a List or How?   Mon Jun 08, 2009 9:10 pm

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...still undefeated in CAG tourney games

That's because you didn't show up for the last one!

Wasn't the year i beat your suit Tau with my Nurgle kind of a cag tournament?

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PostSubject: Re: So why do you make a List or How?   Mon Jun 08, 2009 9:45 pm

I build my list for mostly tournament play, fine tuning as i go along, but a general list designed to take all comers. I prefer not to pull punches, even when teaching someone relatively new (as dynamic spartan can attest to) but i will help the person out with rules and explain good ways to counter my list (drop pods are by no way full proof) and then sit down afterwards and discuss ways to make your list better, for me, that is the game, fine tuning units to be the best they can, but not just pushing the i win button, But thats just me.
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PostSubject: Re: So why do you make a List or How?   Mon Jun 08, 2009 10:22 pm

I think I approach building my army list in a pretty different way.

I did it the same way back in the Rogue Trader days, and I'll probably do it with the list I'm building now.

I chose my army based on the coolness factor of the models themselves, or the coolness factor associated with the particular fluff associated with the models.

For example, I chose the Inquisition and Sisters of Battle because:

1. SOBs are corset wearing goth chicks with bob hair cuts that are bascially nuns.

2. I'm an ordained minister and am also one who despises the true evil and wickedness of the historical Spanish inquisition and other witch hunts throughout history. I find it amusing to myself the irony that I would then play a game in which I am playing the part of such an inquisitorial entity.

3. The models are kick ass and very detailed.

Other aspects that influence my lists are:

4. Fun factor of playing the units or models. Example.... even though I am told by various people not to waste my money on Sisters Repentia or Arco Flagelants because of how easily they die, I find the fluff behind them and the rules that govern their combat to be inherently amusing. "They killed nearly all my squad...F-you you heretical bastards.... CHARGE!".... I don't know, I just find that funny.

5. I am a big fan of gothic architecture and churches. The basic background of the Inquisition and the SOBs fit into that gothic era architecture by design. And even though I know I can buy a games workshop building that represents an inquisitorial temple with gothic architecture... I'll probably build my own from scratch.

6. I was torn for a while as to whether or not I would use conscripted IG in my list, UNTIL... I found out about the Imperial Guard Kasrkin models. Which I find to be wicked cool. So I bought them to use as Inquisitorial Stormtroopers. I have no idea the effectiveness of Stormtroopers, I've not read the IG Codex entry on them. I got them purely because they looked cool.

7. I really could care less if I win, I just want my army to look cool on the battle field, and to have fun either winning.... or getting them killed. I mean winning would be nice, but as long as I look good while losing... I don't care.

That of course means I will labor painstakingly to paint my army, and it may take me a while before I'm ready to field it because of that..... But oh well. I mean the reason I got into WH40K was because I was a fig painter, and before I played WH40K, I never actually got to USE any of my miniatures... they were just nice representations of D&D characters or entries in painting competitions. With 40K I can use the figures I paint...

I wrote a book again didn't I... and most of you will skim this or ignore it completey. lol!
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PostSubject: Re: So why do you make a List or How?   Mon Jun 08, 2009 10:28 pm

Matt wrote:
I almost always do a list for Blind Play

Works for everything that way Wink


That's how I roll also. Blind play for all armies.

I have 4 lists for my chaos (mixed bag of powers) for different point values, but all revolve around the same foundation. Definately my tourney army.

For my Death Guard, as they are my fluffy army, I base it around Typhus and ap1 & 2 weapons.

My bugs are all about assault and being in your face.

Eldar, I'm still trying to figure that one out. Ebay has had lots of business from me buying and selling Eldar figs.
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PostSubject: Re: So why do you make a List or How?   Mon Jun 08, 2009 11:32 pm

CaelynTek wrote:
7. I really could care less if I win, I just want my army to look cool on the battle field, and to have fun either winning.... or getting them killed. I mean winning would be nice, but as long as I look good while losing... I don't care.

Right on, brother! That's why I love using my Salamanders. They can be competetive, but I really like most keeping them in tune with their fluff.
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PostSubject: Re: So why do you make a List or How?   Tue Jun 09, 2009 1:37 am

I definitely do blind play. I've kept roughly the same army list for many years now, and it revolves around a pretty damn conventional base (2 Tactical Squads, Assault Squad, Devastator Squad, plus an HQ and various light vehicles). It came together mostly as the result of a "oh, that looks cool!" approach to buying new units. I've never really had to deal with playing against ultra-competitive armies, so there's never been any motivation to collect a streamlined tourney list.

Perhaps it also has to do with my inexplicable attraction to "standard" things. I've noticed I'm attracted to the "standard" paint schemes - my Marines are Ultramarines, my Tau (when I had them) were T'au sept, my Chaos Marines are Black Legion and my Guard are essentially Cadian-looking with blue shoulder pads for Ultramar (gut-wrenching as even that deviation was). Similarly, I can't seem to build an army list that isn't true to the fluff of the army. I just like seeing platoons of Guardsmen arrayed in gun lines against the enemy, even if Psyker Battle Squads in Chimeras would be a more competitive choice.
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PostSubject: Re: So why do you make a List or How?   Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:26 am

I guess I would consider mine blind play as well. Started off thinking that an Ultramarines themed Guard army would be pretty cool looking, and I did like it, but then found that I like the Inquisition models, and decided to repaint the Guard to an Inquisition force. That's also why I have a Banehammer that's Inquisition themed, and I now have a fully painted Inquisition Vandetta (though still need to do the base).

And, I agree with you, CaelynTek, Witt! I really like when my army looks good, and it's fluffy Smile But, I've said it before (probably a hundred times), I got into 40k to paint, and then realized that I actually liked the game to actually play. That means I have to have it look right, then I can enjoy playing. Heck, I went through and repainted my entire guard army in two weeks (except for the tanks, but I did have to modify one LR, the Hellhound into a Devil Dog, and modified my old Sentinels to have Plasma cannons) for the tournament so that I had one theme (the red and brass inquisition theme).

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PostSubject: Re: So why do you make a List or How?   Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:59 am

I have been playing tournaments pretty exclusively for the past year, so my builds are for tournaments and blind play. I have a 1750 core list (chaos marines) and just make adjustments according to the points value of the tournament.

Now some of you may say BORING but I say CONSISTANT which is important for tourney's. My Necrons I haven't used since 5th ed. came out and I'm currently researching IG (for the past month) for good tournament builds but as Makari said there are so many good choices the hard part is deciding what not to put in the list.
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PostSubject: Re: So why do you make a List or How?   Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:40 pm

Matt wrote:
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...still undefeated in CAG tourney games

That's because you didn't show up for the last one!
...shhhhh

Matt wrote:
Wasn't the year i beat your suit Tau with my Nurgle kind of a cag tournament?
...at some point my friend you are just gonna have to let go Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: So why do you make a List or How?   Wed Jun 10, 2009 10:33 am

Fun and fluff. Sure I will roll a tourney list for fantasy for time to time. And I will get fired up is someone starts thinking their shit is immune to losing.

However, I enjoy the fluff more than anything. Sometimes that leads to broken armies (6th ed Cav Khorne Fantasy...)

But most times I get my ass kicked. As long as I am having a good time, that's all that matters. Winning doesn't mean shit if the game sucked.
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