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PostSubject: Which is better?   Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:20 pm

Witch Hunters or Daemonhunters and why?

Just asking 'cause I hear a lot of argument about this (mostly for the girls) and I just wanted to hear your opinions about this.
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PostSubject: Re: Which is better?   Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:42 pm

neither Witch hunters has some nice advantages and are more mobile but Daemonhunters models are harder to kill. Witch hunters have some nice equipment but so do daemonhunters. Also the fact that the faith points give Withc hunters a edge in some thing while Daemonhunters have ageis and their nemis force weopens add 2 to streangth min and max it gives u a force weopen. Also they are about even for both allies and transports and their Inqustiors are about even the true differences can easily be made up one way or another
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PostSubject: Re: Which is better?   Sun Nov 25, 2007 6:52 pm

Faith Points

..nuff said.

You guys are really pushing me to do a Sisters list and whoop ya Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Which is better?   Sun Nov 25, 2007 6:54 pm

number of problems with faith points. 1 once used they cant be used again for the battle. 2 only certain units give me/ can use them. 3 costs extra to gain them which can run point costs up. they have their problems
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PostSubject: Re: Which is better?   Sun Nov 25, 2007 6:57 pm

No

..now you've done it.
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PostSubject: Re: Which is better?   Sun Nov 25, 2007 7:09 pm

Daemonhunters......I'll tell you why later and it's not BECASUE THEY ARE GOOD AT HIDING BEHING BIG ROCKS EITHER MARC!

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PostSubject: Re: Which is better?   Sun Nov 25, 2007 7:17 pm

CJ wrote:
Daemonhuntersar ARE GOOD AT HIDING BEHING BIG ROCKS MARC!

I agree..
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PostSubject: Re: Which is better?   Sun Nov 25, 2007 7:23 pm

nice cut up of what he said on the post there but no CJ is right if used right daemonhunters can be very good but then again as I have said so can witch hunters.....if you want to know which I think is better the answer is a mixed force is better(also deamonhunters has the better orbital bobardment if you want to aruge that part of their charts)
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PostSubject: Re: Which is better?   Sun Nov 25, 2007 7:32 pm

The 11pt Sister of Battle is the best model in the game next to the 7pt Kroot and 35pt CombiMelta Chaos Terminator.

Tell me this would not be dirty..

Cannoness [Jump Pack and such]

Seraphim [8] Hand Flamers [2] Vet [Book, Eviscerator]

Celestian [10] Melta Gun [2] Vet [Book, Eviscerator] Rhino [EA, Smk]
Celestian [10] Melta Gun [2] Vet [Book, Eviscerator] Rhino [EA, Smk]

Sisters [16] Storm Bolters [2] Vet [Book, PwrWpn, Storm Bolter]
Sisters [16] Storm Bolters [2] Vet [Book, PwrWpn, Storm Bolter]
Sisters [16] Storm Bolters [2] Vet [Book, PwrWpn, Storm Bolter]

Retributors [8] Heavy Bolters [4] Vet [Book]
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PostSubject: Re: Which is better?   Sun Nov 25, 2007 7:38 pm

not that hard to beat I could beat it with deamonhunters or space marines so no it is not dirty or some super list and kroot are not a good model they are just there
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PostSubject: Re: Which is better?   Sun Nov 25, 2007 8:46 pm

To be honest Bruce, from games I have seen you play I highly doubt you could defeat Marc.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion on armies though. I would agree with Marc, Witchhunters are better. 25 points for the Grey Knight Marine is too costly to be effective when played against a seasoned opponent. They die as easily as a marine once you can see them (not too hard).

I don't agree with Marc on Kroot, while good I wouldn't place them in my top 3 list. They are damn good though if used effectively. Definitely not "just there" as you say Bruce.

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PostSubject: Re: Which is better?   Sun Nov 25, 2007 8:48 pm

FrostWolf wrote:
kroot are not a good model they are just there

Rolling Eyes

We shall agree to disagree Bruce *handshake* Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Which is better?   Sun Nov 25, 2007 9:30 pm

OK Nathen....to answer your question....


1750 Pts - Daemonhunters Roster - tournyknights

HQ: Grey Knight Hero (10#, 601 Pts)
0 Grey Knight Hero @ 601 Pts
Grandmaster
1 Grand Master @ [601] Pts
Holocaust; Nemesis Force Weapon; Add Grey Knight Terminators; Storm Bolter; Auspex; Grimoire of True Names; Terminator Armour; Unguents of Warding
9 Grey Knight Terminator Retinue @ [414] Pts
Nemesis and Storm bolter (x9)
1 Grimoire of True Names @ [0] Pts
1 Terminator Armour @ [0] Pts

Troops: Inquisitorial Stormtroopers (11#, 195 Pts)
9 Inquisitorial Stormtroopers @ 195 Pts
Frag Grenades; Hellgun (x7); Mount in Rhino; Plasmagun (x2); Targeter
1 Veteran Stormtrooper @ [35] Pts
Frag Grenade (Squad); Plasma Pistol (x1); Close combat weapon (x1)
1 Rhino @ [50] Pts
Storm Bolter

Troops: Inquisitorial Stormtroopers (11#, 195 Pts)
9 Inquisitorial Stormtroopers @ 195 Pts
Frag Grenades; Hellgun (x7); Mount in Rhino; Plasmagun (x2); Targeter
1 Veteran Stormtrooper @ [35] Pts
Frag Grenade (Squad); Plasma Pistol (x1); Close combat weapon (x1)
1 Rhino @ [50] Pts
Storm Bolter

Fast Attack: Grey Knights (10#, 356 Pts)
9 Grey Knights @ 356 Pts
Convert unit to Fast category; Nemesis and Storm bolter (x7); True Grit; Psycannon (x2)
1 Grey Knight Justicar @ [81] Pts
Melta Bombs; Nemesis Force Weapon; Storm Bolter; True Grit Hero; Artificer Armour; Targeter; Unguents of Warding

Heavy Support: Grey Knight Dreadnought (1#, 139 Pts)
1 Grey Knight Dreadnought @ 139 Pts
Dreadnought CCW; Storm Bolter; Twin Linked Lascannon; Extra Armor; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers

Heavy Support: Grey Knight Dreadnought (1#, 139 Pts)
1 Grey Knight Dreadnought @ 139 Pts
Dreadnought CCW; Storm Bolter; Twin Linked Lascannon; Extra Armor; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers

Heavy Support: Grey Knight Dreadnought (1#, 119 Pts)
1 Grey Knight Dreadnought @ 119 Pts
Dreadnought CCW; Storm Bolter; Assault Cannon; Extra Armor; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers

Total Roster Cost: 1744

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PostSubject: Re: Which is better?   Sun Nov 25, 2007 10:08 pm

CJ, that is a pretty poor list. Those two achievements are hardly a reason to say they are better.

I remember killing it and losing <200 points.

Oh, and if it was a joke... please avoid taking up half the page to try for some laughs. Rolling Eyes

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PostSubject: Re: Which is better?   Sun Nov 25, 2007 11:40 pm

No joke......just cuz I lost to you n Marc, I played well in my other 2 games. I don't recall you geting first place anyway. And I did end up in the middle of the pack....matter of fact...I think....was it 2 or 3 just below you?
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PostSubject: Re: Which is better?   Mon Nov 26, 2007 12:13 am

CJ, this isn't a personal argument. He asked which is better. Because you won two games out of 4 doesn't mean demonhunters is better.

You make 0 sense 100% of the time Smile

Now back on topic, do you have any real reasons to say Demonhunters are better?

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PostSubject: Re: Which is better?   Mon Nov 26, 2007 9:48 am

Matt wrote:
I don't agree with Marc on Kroot, while good I wouldn't place them in my top 3 list. They are damn good though if used effectively. Definitely not "just there" as you say Bruce.

On their own, maybe not.
Yet in the context of the Tau Empire list they are brilliant.

For 7pts I get..

Infiltrate
+1 Cover Save
See/Shoot thru 12" of terrein instead of 6"
No need to roll for movement thru terrain
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PostSubject: Re: Which is better?   Mon Nov 26, 2007 12:50 pm

Daemonhunters are better.
The models are really cool.
I like taking the cannon fodd...er Imperial Guard and mopping up with the Grey Knight Terminators and Inquisitors supported by orbital Barrages.

IMO

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PostSubject: Re: Which is better?   Mon Nov 26, 2007 12:55 pm

Makari, so you think DH are better because of Grey Knights? As everything else you listed is in both.

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PostSubject: Re: Which is better?   Mon Nov 26, 2007 2:57 pm

ok again you missed the whole point I was makeing(why I keep trying to get through I am still not sure) on who would win fine lets find out in a few good games.......but then again im still rebuilding my blood agnels list. and no 25 points inst over doing it used right(most people dont that I have seen use them) they are great but then again their termeys are a lot better and by useing IG for allies you add some nice stuff your equipment for cheap(makeing up for super expecive termies) and they have a better allie systeam then witch hunters do(they can induct gaurd units withc hunters cant) this allows them to take allies without incureing the allies limit(heavy support even) they also have a better toughness then witch hunters(only a 3 toughness makes a whole lot easier to hit them) have a better access to hvy weopens(try ones unlikes hvy flamers which only truly belong on certain tanks)

ok go ahead ruin what all I have said go ahead I know someone will
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PostSubject: Re: Which is better?   Mon Nov 26, 2007 3:25 pm

So, what was your point?

you wanted to know which one would win in a fight? Or re-affirm what you already think?

Either way, like Marc said, they are both pretty bad. I don't think I have seen them even make rank in a Grand Tournament over the past few years.

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PostSubject: Re: Which is better?   Mon Nov 26, 2007 3:36 pm

my point is that deamon hunters point for point can be better but are hard to play witch hunters a easier to use that is the simple fact but in a fight yea deamonhunters are better and no my point is I am answering the question again missed what I was saying......
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PostSubject: Re: Which is better?   Mon Nov 26, 2007 3:38 pm

it is a simple question. it is quanity over quality. sisters aren't as tough, but you get more and a few extra perks. on the other hand, deamon hunters are just rock solid troops that also have their perks. you only get a few though.

also, i personally like the deamon hunter models more than the sisiter's.
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PostSubject: Re: Which is better?   Mon Nov 26, 2007 3:46 pm

Model wise I also agree you can do more with a Deamonhunter model than you can with a witchhunter model(besides their tanks now those would be fun) also it is easier to voercome the quanity problem by adding IG to deamonhunters than it is to voercome the quality problems witchhunters face. Also on the point of which has more options due to inductions Deamonhunters has a lot more units it can choice from than witchhunters.
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PostSubject: Re: Which is better?   Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:28 pm

I believe the regular Grey Knight marine to be massively over priced for what he can do, good player or not. Especially when compared to the 11 point sister of battle.

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