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PostSubject: need advice on nid list   Wed Aug 29, 2007 1:22 pm

i have three different ones that i need imput on

1750 Pts - Tyranids Roster - possibl nid eric

HQ: Hive Tyrant (3#, 229 Pts)
1 Hive Tyrant @ 229 Pts
Extended Carapace +1 Save; Toxic Miasma; Lash Whip & Bonesword; Scything Talons (x1); Catalyst; Synapse Creature; The Horror
2 Tyrant Guard @ [90] Pts
Rending Claws; Scything Talons

Troops: Hormagaunts (9#, 90 Pts)
9 Hormagaunts @ 90 Pts
Scything Talons

Troops: Hormagaunts (9#, 90 Pts)
9 Hormagaunts @ 90 Pts
Scything Talons

Troops: Genestealers (6#, 144 Pts)
6 Genestealers @ 144 Pts
Extended Carapace +1 Save; Rending Claws; Scything Talons

HQ: Broodlord (6#, 200 Pts)
1 Broodlord @ 200 Pts
Extended Carapace +1 Save; Rending Claws; Scything Talons; Synapse Creature
5 Genestealers @ [120] Pts
Extended Carapace +1 Save; Rending Claws; Scything Talons

Troops: Genestealers (6#, 144 Pts)
6 Genestealers @ 144 Pts
Extended Carapace +1 Save; Rending Claws; Scything Talons

Elite: Warriors (4#, 163 Pts)
3 Warriors @ 163 Pts
Enhanced Senses +1 BS; Extended Carapace +1 Save; Leaping; Scything Talons (x1); Deathspitter; Synapse Creature
1 Warriors @ [46] Pts
Enhanced Senses +1 BS; Extended Carapace +1 Save; Leaping; Scything Talons (x1); Venom Cannon; Synapse Creature

Fast Attack: Ravener (3#, 150 Pts)
1 Ravener @ 150 Pts
Rending Claws; Scything Talons (x1); Devourer
1 Ravener @ [50] Pts
Rending Claws; Scything Talons (x1); Devourer
1 Ravener @ [50] Pts
Rending Claws; Scything Talons (x1); Devourer

Heavy Support: Carnifex (1#, 182 Pts)
1 Carnifex @ 182 Pts
Adrenal Glands +1 In; Enhanced Senses +1 BS; Extended Carapace +1 Save; Reinforced Chitin; Scything Talons (x1); Venom Cannon

Heavy Support: Carnifex (1#, 182 Pts)
1 Carnifex @ 182 Pts
Adrenal Glands +1 In; Enhanced Senses +1 BS; Extended Carapace +1 Save; Reinforced Chitin; Scything Talons (x1); Venom Cannon

Heavy Support: Carnifex (1#, 167 Pts)
1 Carnifex @ 167 Pts
Adrenal Glands +1 In; Enhanced Senses +1 BS; Extended Carapace +1 Save; Scything Talons (x1); Venom Cannon

Total Roster Cost: 1741
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PostSubject: here is the second one   Wed Aug 29, 2007 1:27 pm

Heavy Support: Carnifex (1#, 188 Pts)
1 Carnifex @ 188 Pts
Enhanced Senses +1 BS; Extended Carapace +1 Save; Reinforced Chitin; Barbed Strangler; Venom Cannon

Heavy Support: Carnifex (1#, 188 Pts)
1 Carnifex @ 188 Pts
Enhanced Senses +1 BS; Extended Carapace +1 Save; Reinforced Chitin; Barbed Strangler; Venom Cannon

Elite: Carnifex (1#, 113 Pts)
1 Carnifex @ 113 Pts
Enhanced Senses +1 BS; Twin-linked Devourer (x2)

Elite: Carnifex (1#, 111 Pts)
1 Carnifex @ 111 Pts
Adrenal Glands +1 In; Adrenal Glands +1 WS; Scything Talons (x2)

Fast Attack: Ravener (3#, 150 Pts)
3 Ravener @ 150 Pts
Rending Claws; Scything Talons (x1); Devourer

Troops: Gaunt Brood (11#, 55 Pts)
11 Gaunt Brood @ 55 Pts
Spinefists

Troops: Gaunt Brood (11#, 55 Pts)
11 Gaunt Brood @ 55 Pts
Spinefists

Troops: Gaunt Brood (10#, 50 Pts)
10 Gaunt Brood @ 50 Pts
Spinefists

HQ: Broodlord (8#, 248 Pts)
1 Broodlord @ 248 Pts
Extended Carapace +1 Save; Rending Claws; Scything Talons; Synapse Creature
7 Genestealers @ [168] Pts
Extended Carapace +1 Save; Rending Claws; Scything Talons

Heavy Support: Carnifex (1#, 164 Pts)
1 Carnifex @ 164 Pts
Adrenal Glands +1 In; Adrenal Glands +1 WS; Extended Carapace +1 Save; Reinforced Chitin; Spine Banks; Toxic Miasma; Scything Talons (x2)

HQ: Hive Tyrant (2#, 184 Pts)
1 Hive Tyrant @ 184 Pts
Extended Carapace +1 Save; Toxic Miasma; Lash Whip & Bonesword; Scything Talons (x1); Catalyst; Synapse Creature; The Horror
1 Tyrant Guard @ [45] Pts
Rending Claws; Scything Talons

Elite: Warriors (6#, 241 Pts)
3 Warriors @ 241 Pts
Enhanced Senses +1 BS; Extended Carapace +1 Save; Leaping; Scything Talons (x1); Deathspitter; Synapse Creature
1 Warriors @ [46] Pts
Enhanced Senses +1 BS; Extended Carapace +1 Save; Leaping; Scything Talons (x1); Venom Cannon; Synapse Creature
1 Warriors @ [39] Pts
Enhanced Senses +1 BS; Extended Carapace +1 Save; Leaping; Scything Talons (x1); Deathspitter; Synapse Creature
1 Warriors @ [39] Pts
Enhanced Senses +1 BS; Extended Carapace +1 Save; Leaping; Scything Talons (x1); Deathspitter; Synapse Creature

Total Roster Cost: 1747
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PostSubject: and the last one   Wed Aug 29, 2007 1:28 pm

HQ: Broodlord (9#, 262 Pts)
1 Broodlord @ 262 Pts
Rending Claws; Scything Talons; Synapse Creature
8 Genestealers @ [192] Pts
Extended Carapace +1 Save; Rending Claws; Scything Talons

HQ: Hive Tyrant (1#, 177 Pts)
1 Hive Tyrant @ 177 Pts
Enhanced Senses +1 BS; Extended Carapace +1 Save; Toxin Sacs +1 St; Lash Whip & Bonesword; Venom Cannon; Synapse Creature; The Horror

Troops: Gaunt Brood (13#, 65 Pts)
13 Gaunt Brood @ 65 Pts
Spinefists

Troops: Gaunt Brood (13#, 65 Pts)
13 Gaunt Brood @ 65 Pts
Spinefists

Troops: Gaunt Brood (12#, 60 Pts)
12 Gaunt Brood @ 60 Pts
Spinefists

Fast Attack: Ravener (3#, 150 Pts)
3 Ravener @ 150 Pts
Rending Claws; Scything Talons (x1); Devourer

Heavy Support: Carnifex (1#, 188 Pts)
1 Carnifex @ 188 Pts
Enhanced Senses +1 BS; Extended Carapace +1 Save; Reinforced Chitin; Barbed Strangler; Venom Cannon

Heavy Support: Carnifex (1#, 188 Pts)
1 Carnifex @ 188 Pts
Enhanced Senses +1 BS; Extended Carapace +1 Save; Reinforced Chitin; Barbed Strangler; Venom Cannon

Heavy Support: Carnifex (1#, 188 Pts)
1 Carnifex @ 188 Pts
Enhanced Senses +1 BS; Extended Carapace +1 Save; Reinforced Chitin; Barbed Strangler; Venom Cannon

Elite: Carnifex (1#, 112 Pts)
1 Carnifex @ 112 Pts
Adrenal Glands +1 In; Adrenal Glands +1 WS; Flesh Hooks; Scything Talons (x2)

Elite: Carnifex (1#, 112 Pts)
1 Carnifex @ 112 Pts
Adrenal Glands +1 In; Adrenal Glands +1 WS; Flesh Hooks; Scything Talons (x2)

Elite: Warriors (5#, 180 Pts)
5 Warriors @ 180 Pts
Enhanced Senses +1 BS; Leaping; Scything Talons (x1); Deathspitter; Synapse Creature

Total Roster Cost: 1747
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PostSubject: Re: need advice on nid list   Wed Aug 29, 2007 1:57 pm

If you can, keep the order the same. Meaning keep HQ first, the Elites, then Troops etc. Helps for comparison purposes.

I skimmed through them though, and they all look like solid lists. I'll be back later to look a bit closer.
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PostSubject: Re: need advice on nid list   Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:14 pm

Raveners are best as broods of 1 or 2 Dan. You have 3 Fast Attack slots, best to use them up. I ran 2x2 vs John and next time will be 2x1 and 1x2

In my experience (CJs may differ) Warriors are better suited for H2H then shooty. They have a base WS and Init of 4 yet just a base BS of 2 Mad Buying them up to only a Guardsmen aim makes no sense when you can buy them up to better Marines in both WS, Init and even Strength. Add Rending and Leaping, coupled with their Synapse, you now have a "super" Ravener Very Happy

..just watch out for Fisting Wulfen hiding in a woods Sad

Also, watch for "wasted" points on your upgrades. Think about how they matchup on the table. Do you really need to buy up your Carni Init to a 2? If any Carni makes into H2H then then you've already won, cause the other player did some things horribly wrong Wink
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PostSubject: Comments   Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:37 pm

So after playing nids a number of times recently, here are my observations. Buying extended carapace on the stealers is great, but you should also buy them flesh hooks, cause a similarly sized squad in cover can still kill them, same with the broodlord although extended carapace becomes a luxury. For the carnifexes, I can attest to the power of the barbed strangler - venom cannon fexes. Not fun. Buying fexes extended carapace is a quandry however. Basically it comes down to how many missile launchers will you face. Not many things are AP3. Plasma, lascannon and melta will still all penetrate you even if you spend the points for more armor. And most things that are AP4+ are not strong enough to wound you consistently. In close combat it will be the PF that kill you anyway, so that's no difference. I'd seriously consider those points elsewhere. For the warriors, keep them fighty, lose the shootiness. They will just be expensive and still suck. I saw in one of your lists that they had deathspitters and BS2. Total Waste. Drop the enhanced senses and guns and give them +1 I so that they can be marine killers. With flesh hooks.
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PostSubject: Re: need advice on nid list   Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:01 pm

one thing I fear as a long time marine killer is Zoans. With Warpblast (i think?). The small blast pays for itself pretty easily, plus its cheap synapse that is annoying to kill (what with no instant death and a ++ save).

And when it kills my Plague Marines it gets really really bad.

Other than that, general things are:

If you have something big, have lots of somethings that are big (you have this covered pretty well). The reason being, if you have just one big thing (or you only have one big thing in LOS) then you will lose that big thing due to Anti Tank fire.

Pick your battles. Make sure you stick to your game plan, a Nid army will lose very quickly if you change game plans (marine players can get away with this). Reason being, with a Nid army movement is very important... you can't waste any of it.

Just some general advice. Nid's are one of my favorite armies to go up against, been playing against them for almost 8 years now! Maybe I should join the Xenos ranks sometime in the future...
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