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PostSubject: 1750 White Scars   Wed Feb 13, 2008 3:16 pm

Using the Ravenwing list instead of Swift as the Wind



Khubilai [Samael] Jetbike

6 Bikes, Attack Bike [MM], PF, 2 Meltagun
6 Bikes, Attack Bike [MM], PF, 2 Meltagun
6 Bikes, Attack Bike [MM], PF, 2 Flamers
6 Bikes, Attack Bike [MM], PF, Apoth, 2 PlasmaGun

Land Speeder [HB, AC]
Land Speeder [HB, AC]
Land Speeder [MM, HF]

Nice and small, eh?


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PostSubject: Re: 1750 White Scars   Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:12 pm

What's Khan riding, bike or speeder?
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PostSubject: Re: 1750 White Scars   Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:15 pm

I'm guessing bike?

Khan is the primarch Marc! Heresy...

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PostSubject: Re: 1750 White Scars   Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:37 pm

ooops..

Jetbike

Matt wrote:
Khan is the primarch Marc! Heresy...

Indeed.. fixed

Any thoughts?
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PostSubject: Re: 1750 White Scars   Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:32 pm

too many bikes, too many bikes.

i mean really they can only shoot really and sure they have the higher toughness and speed but there are a whole lot less of them for less points. no need to make a whole army with them

good army for take and hold missions though
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PostSubject: Re: 1750 White Scars   Thu Feb 14, 2008 4:13 am

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no need to make a whole army with them

Tis the hole point my son Wink

Marc, I promise to get on my thoughts over this... spent the night in the ER today. Sliced my finger top off and had to get it stitched back on, no drugs while it went down too.

In short... it sucked bad.

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PostSubject: Re: 1750 White Scars   Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:36 am

Shocked

Jesus dude.. be careful!

Hopefully you'll still have sensation.. where were all the narcs?!?

cowbomber wrote:
too many bikes, too many bikes.

The pure army consists of bikes, speeders and attack bikes.
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PostSubject: Re: 1750 White Scars   Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:29 am

I maybe mistaken but White Scars arent just all bikes and speeders. I have always seen them played as an all mobile force. Mounted tac squads with preds and LRs, even assault marines. They specialize in bikes, they all used to have skilled riders, which is now a 3pt upgrade I believe. I believe the Ravenwing are suppose to be your pure bikes, AB, and speeders. Please correct me if im wrong I have been under this impression since I started gaming, one of the locals played them.

The list would murder Nid Zilla and other marines, but I think horde armies would give it a tough time.

Ouch Matt. Where you modeling when you done it? I have a scar from a knife cut when I was modeling. They didnt give me any drugs either just stitches.
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PostSubject: Re: 1750 White Scars   Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:48 am

Sorry to hear about that Matt... That sucks bad. I've sliced myself bad before (though, not enough to remove pieces of flesh). Glad to hear it was able to be put back together!
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PostSubject: Re: 1750 White Scars   Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:04 am

Ultramarine wrote:
I maybe mistaken but White Scars arent just all bikes and speeders. I have always seen them played as an all mobile force. Mounted tac squads with preds and LRs, even assault marines. They specialize in bikes, they all used to have skilled riders, which is now a 3pt upgrade I believe. I believe the Ravenwing are suppose to be your pure bikes, AB, and speeders. Please correct me if im wrong I have been under this impression since I started gaming, one of the locals played them.

Thanks

ReReading their Astartes article and reflecting on Fat Blokes old force there were a sprinkle of Rhino squads, Scouts and Assault Marines yes, but no Devastator Squads or heavy armour. Now with the new Marines codex they reflect this with Flesh Over Steel and Swift as the Wind traits. I just took it one step further with restricting myself to the Ravenwing rules set (and to nab those Scout moves Wink ) Plus I dont have to worry myself come October when a new Marines Codex is released.
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PostSubject: Re: 1750 White Scars   Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:16 am

Thats a good point about the new marine codex. What do you think will happen to armies like the White Scars and Salamanders?
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PostSubject: Re: 1750 White Scars   Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:46 pm

You can always use assault marines and rhino squads from the DA book.

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PostSubject: Re: 1750 White Scars   Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:53 pm

yah see that is a good idea cause you at least show that you can make a moderately larger army of well built marines
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PostSubject: Re: 1750 White Scars   Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:48 am

I could see using a single squad of Assault Marines to tie things together for a more White Scars feel. Not a bad idea there..

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What do you think will happen to armies like the White Scars

100% unknown No which is why using the DA Codex is 100% safe.
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PostSubject: Re: 1750 White Scars   Fri Feb 15, 2008 12:37 pm

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What do you think will happen to armies like the White Scars

Gone gone and gone, you may still be able to ham fist a semi fluff true list (i mean really for Sallies its gear selection and paint scheme anyway).

I bet you will still be able to do at least some customization ala the traits system... but nothing as broken as it is now.

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PostSubject: Re: 1750 White Scars   Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:31 pm

idk maybe they will make a comeback
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PostSubject: Re: 1750 White Scars   Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:43 pm

They may come back, but in a much lesser way. The current SM trait system is broken.
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PostSubject: Re: 1750 White Scars   Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:18 pm

A few more bodies in there and a bit more White Scar looking...

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Bikes [6] MG [2] Attack Bike [MM] PF
Bikes [6] MG [2] Attack Bike [MM] PF
Bikes [3] FLM [2]

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Land Speeder [HB, AC]
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PostSubject: Re: 1750 White Scars   Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:46 pm

Not enough points to stick on the powerfist?
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PostSubject: Re: 1750 White Scars   Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:59 pm

I cannot find a simple 10pts to lose Sad

I'm on the fence about 30pts for 2 Plasma Pistols. Removing them would give me a PF in the Assault Squad and then a few odd bits such as Meltabombs and Combat Shields.
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PostSubject: Re: 1750 White Scars   Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:43 pm

That might be the way to go considering your plasma guns for chaos overheated a lot.
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PostSubject: Re: 1750 White Scars   Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:10 pm

Marc I'm still coming on thoughts, just been busy (practicing up for some clan battles on CoD).

Got to upload pics from my tournaments last week too (2nd out of 19 with a Multiwing force Smile)

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PostSubject: Re: 1750 White Scars   Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:36 pm

Congrats

I'm still goofin on how to fit the Company Standard in anyways. Seems excellent on paper anyways...
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PostSubject: Re: 1750 White Scars   Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:53 pm

Yeah, I haven't toyed with it yet but that extra punch in CC could be game winning.

Although, in my experience... RW bikers are almost always at their best when either a) just shooting and running away or b) running in on isolated units shooting them and then finishing them in assault.

I rarely charge with them. Of course, this will change as you are running solely RW. I tend to skirt them around then use them for turn 6 objective grabbing. Using them for watering down light infantry while they wait. They are just too fragile for anything long term.

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PostSubject: Re: 1750 White Scars   Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:10 pm

Good stuff.

I can see the Assault Squad doing nothing but bailing out bogged down bikers mid game.

I'll get my first few games in this week and all my theoryhammer could go out the window Laughing
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