1750 White Scars

Using the Ravenwing list instead of Swift as the Wind



Khubilai [Samael] Jetbike

6 Bikes, Attack Bike [MM], PF, 2 Meltagun
6 Bikes, Attack Bike [MM], PF, 2 Meltagun
6 Bikes, Attack Bike [MM], PF, 2 Flamers
6 Bikes, Attack Bike [MM], PF, Apoth, 2 PlasmaGun

Land Speeder [HB, AC]
Land Speeder [HB, AC]
Land Speeder [MM, HF]

Nice and small, eh?

What's Khan riding, bike or speeder?

I'm guessing bike?

Khan is the primarch Marc! Heresy...

ooops..

Jetbike

Matt wrote:

Khan is the primarch Marc! Heresy...

Indeed.. fixed

Any thoughts?

too many bikes, too many bikes.

i mean really they can only shoot really and sure they have the higher toughness and speed but there are a whole lot less of them for less points. no need to make a whole army with them

good army for take and hold missions though

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no need to make a whole army with them

Tis the hole point my son

Marc, I promise to get on my thoughts over this... spent the night in the ER today. Sliced my finger top off and had to get it stitched back on, no drugs while it went down too.

In short... it sucked bad.

Jesus dude.. be careful!

Hopefully you'll still have sensation.. where were all the narcs?!?

cowbomber wrote:

too many bikes, too many bikes.

The pure army consists of bikes, speeders and attack bikes.

I maybe mistaken but White Scars arent just all bikes and speeders. I have always seen them played as an all mobile force. Mounted tac squads with preds and LRs, even assault marines. They specialize in bikes, they all used to have skilled riders, which is now a 3pt upgrade I believe. I believe the Ravenwing are suppose to be your pure bikes, AB, and speeders. Please correct me if im wrong I have been under this impression since I started gaming, one of the locals played them.

The list would murder Nid Zilla and other marines, but I think horde armies would give it a tough time.

Ouch Matt. Where you modeling when you done it? I have a scar from a knife cut when I was modeling. They didnt give me any drugs either just stitches.

Sorry to hear about that Matt... That sucks bad. I've sliced myself bad before (though, not enough to remove pieces of flesh). Glad to hear it was able to be put back together!

Ultramarine wrote:

I maybe mistaken but White Scars arent just all bikes and speeders. I have always seen them played as an all mobile force. Mounted tac squads with preds and LRs, even assault marines. They specialize in bikes, they all used to have skilled riders, which is now a 3pt upgrade I believe. I believe the Ravenwing are suppose to be your pure bikes, AB, and speeders. Please correct me if im wrong I have been under this impression since I started gaming, one of the locals played them.

Thanks

ReReading their Astartes article and reflecting on Fat Blokes old force there were a sprinkle of Rhino squads, Scouts and Assault Marines yes, but no Devastator Squads or heavy armour. Now with the new Marines codex they reflect this with Flesh Over Steel and Swift as the Wind traits. I just took it one step further with restricting myself to the Ravenwing rules set (and to nab those Scout moves ) Plus I dont have to worry myself come October when a new Marines Codex is released.

Thats a good point about the new marine codex. What do you think will happen to armies like the White Scars and Salamanders?

You can always use assault marines and rhino squads from the DA book.

... and I miss Paul

yah see that is a good idea cause you at least show that you can make a moderately larger army of well built marines

I could see using a single squad of Assault Marines to tie things together for a more White Scars feel. Not a bad idea there..

Ultramarine wrote:

What do you think will happen to armies like the White Scars

100% unknown which is why using the DA Codex is 100% safe.

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What do you think will happen to armies like the White Scars

Gone gone and gone, you may still be able to ham fist a semi fluff true list (i mean really for Sallies its gear selection and paint scheme anyway).

I bet you will still be able to do at least some customization ala the traits system... but nothing as broken as it is now.

Thanks for all the support for my chopped up finger btw

idk maybe they will make a comeback

They may come back, but in a much lesser way. The current SM trait system is broken.

A few more bodies in there and a bit more White Scar looking...

Khubilai [Samael] Jetbike

Bikes [6] MG [2] Attack Bike [MM] PF
Bikes [6] MG [2] Attack Bike [MM] PF
Bikes [6] MG [2] Attack Bike [MM] PF
Bikes [3] FLM [2]

Land Speeder [HB, AC]
Land Speeder [HB, AC]
Assault [10] PP [2] PW

Not enough points to stick on the powerfist?

I cannot find a simple 10pts to lose

I'm on the fence about 30pts for 2 Plasma Pistols. Removing them would give me a PF in the Assault Squad and then a few odd bits such as Meltabombs and Combat Shields.

That might be the way to go considering your plasma guns for chaos overheated a lot.

Marc I'm still coming on thoughts, just been busy (practicing up for some clan battles on CoD).

Got to upload pics from my tournaments last week too (2nd out of 19 with a Multiwing force )

Congrats

I'm still goofin on how to fit the Company Standard in anyways. Seems excellent on paper anyways...

Yeah, I haven't toyed with it yet but that extra punch in CC could be game winning.

Although, in my experience... RW bikers are almost always at their best when either a) just shooting and running away or b) running in on isolated units shooting them and then finishing them in assault.

I rarely charge with them. Of course, this will change as you are running solely RW. I tend to skirt them around then use them for turn 6 objective grabbing. Using them for watering down light infantry while they wait. They are just too fragile for anything long term.

Good stuff.

I can see the Assault Squad doing nothing but bailing out bogged down bikers mid game.

I'll get my first few games in this week and all my theoryhammer could go out the window