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PostSubject: painting contest   Fri Mar 14, 2008 11:01 am

hey guys im thinking about talking to Eric at sci fi city about sponsering a painting contest. i was just checking to see who would possibly be interested in one. don't be shy let me know if your interested.
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PostSubject: Re: painting contest   Fri Mar 14, 2008 11:12 am

I'd be interested in painting lessons. I suck too much for a contest at the moment.
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PostSubject: Re: painting contest   Fri Mar 14, 2008 11:20 am

Sure, but be prepared for a bucket load of questions/concerns Wink

Good Luck!
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PostSubject: Re: painting contest   Fri Mar 14, 2008 11:27 am

JMarv wrote:
I'd be interested in painting lessons. I suck too much for a contest at the moment.

no you don't. you're fine. its just a friendly contest. no pressure just enter a mini and see. it's just a miniature nothing to be shy of.
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PostSubject: Re: painting contest   Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:17 pm

You will find that there are far too few friendly competitions especially when it comes to painting... It shouldn't be an issue, but if there are any sensitive people in it be forewarned...
and as Marc said be prepared to be hounded!

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PostSubject: Re: painting contest   Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:55 pm

I've run several online painting contests w/out much of a hitch. Biggest issue I have is getting folks to talk good pics and sized appropriately. Good thing that isn't a problem here.

Let me know if you need any advice Danny. Remember....there is no "right" way to do the contest. Is it best painted, is it closest to the theme, should you separate NooBs from experienced painters (and even masters?).

Essentially the better the prize the more bitching there is gonna be.

I tried to have a prize for each category (there may be only 1). Additionally I held a lottery for ALL entrants. Usually the raffle was for a better prize then the category winners (excluded from raffle). The reason I did this is I wanted to award participation and encourage folks to paint regardless of how they felt they would stack up against the competition.

Good luck.
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PostSubject: Re: painting contest   Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:43 pm

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Additionally I held a lottery for ALL entrants

I like this, it's something I have seen done at many a tournament and is always a nice surprise for people.

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PostSubject: Re: painting contest   Fri Mar 14, 2008 3:22 pm

Danny you fiend! I remember the WoHaGs painting contests.

My only thought is independent judging, preferably double blindsided. Last time we had a terrain contest it turned into a popularity contest.
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PostSubject: Re: painting contest   Fri Mar 14, 2008 3:53 pm

Angry Bob wrote:
Danny you fiend! I remember the WoHaGs painting contests.

My only thought is independent judging, preferably double blindsided. Last time we had a terrain contest it turned into a popularity contest.

how the heck was it a popularity contest? my terrain was 5-million times better than christian's. Very Happy

please explain to me what independent and double blindisided judging is. i was probably just going to ask eric, the store owner, to judge.
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PostSubject: Re: painting contest   Fri Mar 14, 2008 4:15 pm

Eric would be independant, i.e. not involved in the competition, and the double blind is having him not know who painted any of the entries.

Actually that's really just single blind, but I'm not sure how to actually make any of this double blind since that usually involves two groups, one getting a drug and one getting a placebo and neither the patient or the doctor knowing who is getting what.
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PostSubject: Re: painting contest   Sat Mar 15, 2008 12:26 am

hahaha


this sounds like a lot of fun! i will almost HAVE to enter something. keep us updated, great idea!
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PostSubject: Re: painting contest   Sun Mar 16, 2008 1:53 am

im interested. of coarse it would be no contest. Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: painting contest   Sun Mar 16, 2008 4:41 pm

JMarv wrote:
Actually that's really just single blind, but I'm not sure how to actually make any of this double blind since that usually involves two groups, one getting a drug and one getting a placebo and neither the patient or the doctor knowing who is getting what.
Double blind would mean people entering the contest would not know the judge(s) are as the judges wouldn't know who's entry is what.

Does that clear it up?

Single blind in this case works just fine. Eric isn't going to be familiar with any of our quirky styles or basing approaches so any bias is very unlikely.
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PostSubject: Re: painting contest   Sun Mar 16, 2008 5:09 pm

Is there really favoritisam in a simple painting contest these days.

I always thought they were divided into pro, intermediate, beginner (me Laughing ). And so on, yada yada..

Although, Ive mis-understood things many times before. Wouldnt be the first or the last


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PostSubject: Re: painting contest   Sun Mar 16, 2008 5:34 pm

Naaah no favortism with Eric even if he knew who did what..... I think.

There have been popularity contests before. I don't want to do any smearing here. Also not to imply that with anything John has run, he's squeeeeky clean.
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PostSubject: Re: painting contest   Sun Mar 16, 2008 7:04 pm

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Naaah no favortism with Eric even if he knew who did what..... I think.

There have been popularity contests before. I don't want to do any smearing here. Also not to imply that with anything John has run, he's squeeeeky clean.

yeah...considering I fronted all the prizes myself (usually about $100 worth) and then shipped it overseas b/c nobody in the US would enter. Razz. Except Danny was my only begginer winner for one contest....but he was the only begginer entry.
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PostSubject: Re: painting contest   Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:39 pm

Sound interesting I'll watch for rules

Sounds also like John has some good ideas about how to separate paint experience.

Danny I am looking forward to it. I just hope I have the time to paint something.
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PostSubject: Re: painting contest   Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:56 pm

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yeah...considering I fronted all the prizes myself (usually about $100 worth) and then shipped it overseas b/c nobody in the US would enter. Razz
Muahahaha aaaaaah. You do keep life interesting John.

I'd feel a lot worse about not entering if I hadn't put in several hours of painting one day WoHaGs to help get the terrain for the Gencon tourney ready.
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PostSubject: Re: painting contest   Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:07 am

too bad all that terrain went to the entrants since Who was closing.

The best way I found to tae care of the experience issue was to handicap the contestants and use a point scale for the judge.

ie each fig is out of 50pts total (5 areas worth 10pts each).

then the contestants indicate if they a beg, regular, or expert handicapped 0, 8n and 15 pts respectively which comes off the figs total.
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PostSubject: Re: painting contest   Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:19 am

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beg, regular, or expert

I dont think we have any CAG "experts" in my opinion.
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PostSubject: Re: painting contest   Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:35 am

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jgemrich wrote:
beg, regular, or expert

I dont think we have any CAG "experts" in my opinion.

Remember...what is presented on a table top may not be the maximum capabilities of that painter.

On one board we also added a "Master" class.
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PostSubject: Re: painting contest   Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:58 am

So how do you class potential?
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PostSubject: Re: painting contest   Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:27 am

You really can't...but that is why I leave it up to the painter to "gauge" his capabilities.

For me...Most of what you see is done in 2 hours or less. I just don't spend time on my playing figures...however, I know I can produce an 8/9 on CMON voting so I'd give myself "expert". Not based on what folks see in my fig caddy but what I know I can do.

It's not a perfect system and 80% of the people will put themselves in regular but it seems to level the playing field a bit.

For me it was always a push to see how many people I could get to enter. I had over 30 one time.
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