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PostSubject: 1000 Point High Elves   1000 Point High Elves EmptySun Jun 15, 2008 12:23 am

Okay, here is my first attempt at a full army list. Let me know what you think.

Lord/Hero:
Noble - 113 pts
Great Weapon, Shield,Elven Steed, Dragon Armor

Core:
10 Archers - 110 pts

10 Archers - 110 pts

16 Lothern Sea Guard - 192 pts
with full command & Lion Standard

Special:
5 Silverhelms - 115 pts

10 White Lions - 150 pts

1 Tiranoc Chariot - 85 pts

Rare:
1 Repeater Bolt Thrower - 100 pts


Points Total: 1000
Models In Army: 54
PD:0
DD:0
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PostSubject: Re: 1000 Point High Elves   1000 Point High Elves EmptyTue Jul 01, 2008 1:46 pm

Quite solid.

Only thing I would change would go 2 Tiranocs and dump the Helms.
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PostSubject: Re: 1000 Point High Elves   1000 Point High Elves EmptyTue Jul 01, 2008 2:11 pm

I play tested with the Helms before I traded my stuff to Marc......they weren't really solid enough for me.

NOW the Chariot...

HELL YEAH!

And I also liked the Sea Gaurd....with them being able to shoot and go close combat......might switch them out for your archers.....

just for kicks.

I did this and they rocked in my first 1k fight.
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PostSubject: Re: 1000 Point High Elves   1000 Point High Elves EmptyWed Jul 02, 2008 2:02 am

Thanks for the replies. Here is an updated list.

Lord/Hero:
Noble - 113 pts
Great Weapon, Shield,Elven Steed, Dragon Armor

Core:

16 Lothern Sea Guard - 208 pts
with shields

16 Lothern Sea Guard - 208 pts
with shields & Lion Standard

Special:

10 White Lions - 150 pts

1 Tiranoc Chariot - 85 pts

1 Tiranoc Chariot - 85 pts

Rare:
1 Repeater Bolt Thrower - 100 pts

1 Great Eagle - 50 pts

Points Total: 999
Models In Army: 47
PD:0 DD:0

Any input on the White Lions V.S. the Sword Masters? I had originally taken the WLs to try an use their stubbornness to delay someone getting to the archers. After getting rid of the archers would it be better to just take SMs instead?
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PostSubject: Re: 1000 Point High Elves   1000 Point High Elves EmptyWed Jun 17, 2009 3:49 pm

You should probably take away the Nobles Elven Steed and and try to add in a mage for mage support plus High Elf magic adds an amazing amount of defence.
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PostSubject: Re: 1000 Point High Elves   1000 Point High Elves EmptyWed Jun 17, 2009 8:33 pm

Somethings to consider:
Only the first rank of the seaguard can shoot unless you are on a hill or shooting at a large target, then you get 2 ranks. So you are paying a lot of points to let 5 or 6 guys shoot.
Tiranoc chariots rock, but take a closer look at the fear causing White Lion Chariot. The chariot box set comes with parts to make either.
The High Elves are the only army that can bring a dragon to a 1000 point battle. It is close to half your points, but the Dragon Mage is deadly in small battles.
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PostSubject: Re: 1000 Point High Elves   1000 Point High Elves EmptyWed Jun 17, 2009 11:06 pm

Crobar wrote:
Somethings to consider:
Only the first rank of the seaguard can shoot unless you are on a hill or shooting at a large target, then you get 2 ranks. So you are paying a lot of points to let 5 or 6 guys shoot.
Tiranoc chariots rock, but take a closer look at the fear causing White Lion Chariot. The chariot box set comes with parts to make either.
The High Elves are the only army that can bring a dragon to a 1000 point battle. It is close to half your points, but the Dragon Mage is deadly in small battles.

Yeah the seaguard are a little pricey, i'd take spearmen then instead of 16 for 208 you can have 20 for 205. And the Lion Chariot totally slipped my mind
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PostSubject: Re: 1000 Point High Elves   1000 Point High Elves EmptyThu Jun 18, 2009 8:49 am

errr...wow, posted some random letters instead of typing...




Anyway, it's a solid list, but you are counting on your shooting in large amounts. I've not gotten to play against a lot of the new High Elves, but I am going to assume that a quick army is going to cause you problems.

Can High Elves handle a mobile army? How would a list like this do against an all cav Wood Elf list? Or a horde list?
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PostSubject: Re: 1000 Point High Elves   1000 Point High Elves EmptyTue Jun 23, 2009 11:08 pm

They do well enough. I don't believe An all Cav Wood Elf list is anything to be feared. a couple units of spearmen would slaughter the horses on the charge thanks to the always Strike first rule and the Wood Elfs lack of armor. fighting in 3 ranks with spears doesn't hurt either.

The Chaos horde army would be more of a problem bcause most of their models are tougher, making them harder for the spearmen to wound. The important thing to remember is that removed models don't get to attack. If you charge in and I kill 3, that leaves you 2 models to attack back with in most cases to try to make up the combat rez. You would have to catch the spearmen in the side or rear to avoid this which is why I always bring Lion Chariots to help avoid this.

Here is some average math for you. A unit of 6 wild riders charges a block of 20 spearmen, (average size). Both have full comand. The spearmen would go first because they are High Elves. That would be 16 attacks hitting on 4+. Average would be 8 hits giving an average of 4 wounds. Due to their 5+ armor and 5+ ward save, they should save 2, losing 2. That leaves 4, one being the champion and 4 horses to strike back. The riders hit on 3, so giving them the benefit we will say that 3 hit. With a strength 5, they wound on 2+, so once again we will skew the math in their favor and say they kill all 3. Now the horse hit on 4+, so 2 hit and wound on 4+, so 1 wound. I should bring the averages back around and say the 5+ armor save holds, but to make the point, I won't. So, the spearmen did 2 wounds, the wild riders did 4. The wild riders are ahead by 2, they both have a standard bearer but the wild riders are out numbered and are facing 3 extra ranks, thus losing the combat by 2. Next round, if the wild riders don't panic and flee, the spearmen still fight with 3 ranks andgo first. Yhe wild riders are down to a strength 4, but they do get an extra attack because they are not charging.

the point cost of the 2 units are:
6 wild riders with full command: 192
20 spearmen with full comand: 205
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PostSubject: Re: 1000 Point High Elves   1000 Point High Elves EmptyTue Jun 23, 2009 11:16 pm

one other thing. If you want a fast mobile army, play Bretonnians, they tend to have fewer models on the board, but are fast and can give any army out there a run for their money. for the points, there is no better cav in the game. Well, I tend to pretend the questing knights don't exsist, after 7th edition came out and nerfed their great swords, they aren't worth the points Smile.
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PostSubject: Re: 1000 Point High Elves   1000 Point High Elves EmptyWed Jun 24, 2009 10:53 am

Don't know if anyone noticed or not by my last post is almost a year old. Razz

That being said I still lurk daily and am slowly working building my HE army. I've actually got 1000 points of HEs that would make an incredibly crappy army list just to to model composition. I'm working on getting them put together and painted. As far as a more currently army list goes, the list below is what I've been buying models based off of.

1)[L] Archmage, LVL4, Silver Wand, Folariath's Robe
2)[H] Noble, BSB, Barded Elven Steed, Battle Banner, Dragon Armour, Shield, Lance,
3)[H] Noble, Great Weapon, Dragon Armor, Talisman of Saphery
4)[H] Mage, x2 dispell scrolls

Core
1)Archers [10]
2)Archers [10]

Special
1)Dragon Princes W/ standard bearer [5]
2)White Lions W/ Full Command [18]
3)Phoenix Guard W/ Full Command, Banner Of Sorcery [22]
4)Sword Masters [7]
5)Lion Chariot [1]

Rare
1)Repeater Bolt Thrower
2)Repeater Bolt Thrower

Total 2218pts, still got 32 points for something left.
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PostSubject: Re: 1000 Point High Elves   1000 Point High Elves EmptyWed Jun 24, 2009 1:48 pm

heh....I just noticed that....and yeah....your a lil beyond in what you had...LOL.....
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PostSubject: Re: 1000 Point High Elves   1000 Point High Elves EmptyWed Jun 24, 2009 2:59 pm

You should give the Noble on foot Armour of Caledor (2+ save cannot be improved further) it counts as dragon armour so flamming still doesn't afect him and its only 25pts
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PostSubject: Re: 1000 Point High Elves   1000 Point High Elves EmptySat Jun 27, 2009 9:30 pm

I didn't put the the armor of Caledor since the archmage will be taking any challenges issued. I figured that this would make the Noble pretty survivable, no?
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