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Posts : 655 Join date : 2007-08-20 Age : 50 Location : Cincinnati, Oh.
| Subject: Lesser Demons Sun Jul 13, 2008 1:06 pm | |
| Ok, after reading the new rules and checking on other boards I cant seem to get a clear answer on this. Seems to be one of the first gray areas I can find. I am sure there will be more but here it is.
Can Summoned Lesser Demons form the Codex: Chaos Space Marines hold objectives (i.e. Scoring Units)?
I say yes they can, but seems there is some conflict because they dont actually take up a FOC Slot. But RAW seems to be clear that it is not a issue. Depends on how you define the word allowances I guess
The facts: (Matt edit if this is not allowed, not really sure may be to much info -- nah looks good - Matt) Rule from 5th rulebook on holding objectives (pg.90) - An army's scoring units are all the units that come from its Troops allowance. Only doesn't count if: is a vehicle, has swarm rule, or specify that is not a scoring unit.
Rules from Codex: Chaos Space Marines (pg.102) - Units of Summoned Lesser Demons do not use up any force organization chart selection, but are otherwise treated as a Troop unit.
Let me know thoughts on this. If anyone else has seen a definitive answer on this post a link to it please. | |
| | | Matt CAG Founder
Posts : 3552 Join date : 2007-08-19 Location : Cincinnati, OH
| Subject: Re: Lesser Demons Sun Jul 13, 2008 2:32 pm | |
| Anyone check the FAQ on this? [EDIT] - Checked, and it doesn't look like it | |
| | | Affliction Forum Moderator
Posts : 655 Join date : 2007-08-20 Age : 50 Location : Cincinnati, Oh.
| Subject: Re: Lesser Demons Sun Jul 13, 2008 4:22 pm | |
| I didn't find it in any FAQ's I looked at...if you do find it link it so I can read please.
[EDIT] Ok I have read all the major forums and the consensus is a "YES" they are a scoring unit. Again the argument was that the dont take up a FOC slot, but rules as written have no indication that FOC is even a consideration in the equation...so until proven otherwise I am going to play it that way. | |
| | | HAND OF DUME Initiate
Posts : 496 Join date : 2008-04-24 Age : 54 Location : Wastelands of the Miami county
| Subject: Re: Lesser Demons Sun Jul 13, 2008 8:02 pm | |
| I would definately count them as scoring! It says "troop choice" and nothing about whether it takes a slot in the FOC. Rules lawyers will probably argue this, but it's in black and white and until GW clarifies in a FAQ, count them as scoring. | |
| | | Marc Fantasy Moderator
Posts : 2428 Join date : 2007-08-20 Location : Milford
| Subject: Re: Lesser Demons Sun Jul 13, 2008 8:12 pm | |
| I'd play them scoring. CSMs need all the help they can muster. | |
| | | Makari Supreme Forum Overlord
Posts : 3291 Join date : 2007-11-10 Age : 46 Location : Milford, OH
| Subject: Re: Lesser Demons Sun Jul 13, 2008 8:39 pm | |
| - Marc wrote:
- I'd play them scoring. CSMs need all the help they can muster.
Ain't that the truth! Yes I think it is written plainly, treated exactly as a troop choice, just does not take up a slot. But yes I can see how it could be argued! But also I can se what the "spirit" of the rule would be. | |
| | | Matt CAG Founder
Posts : 3552 Join date : 2007-08-19 Location : Cincinnati, OH
| Subject: Re: Lesser Demons Sun Jul 13, 2008 9:12 pm | |
| I don't think it is clear, I would allow them to score but I can see where to problem is.
...will most likely stay a problem until it gets FAQ'd | |
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