This is Dan's grossness.....

1750 Pts - Dark Angels Roster - DansCHAOTICRW1750

HQ: Sammael, Master of the Ravenwing (1#, 205 Pts)
0 Sammael, Master of the Ravenwing @ 205 Pts
On Land Speeder
1 ...on Land Speeder @ [205] Pts
Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Bolt Pistol; Twin Linked Assault Cannon; Twin Linked Heavy Bolter

Troops: Ravenwing Attack Squadron (9#, 395 Pts)
1 Ravenwing Attack Squadron @ 395 Pts
Bike Squad; Attack Bike; Land Speeder
5 Bike Squad @ [245] Pts
Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Bolt Pistol (x5); Twin Linked Bolters (x5); Teleport Homer
1 Sergeant @ [65] Pts
Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Bolt Pistol (x1); Power Fist; Twin Linked Bolters (x1); Teleport Homer
1 Attack Bike @ [50] Pts
Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Bolt Pistol (x1); Twin Linked Bolters (x1); Multi-Melta; Teleport Homer
1 Land Speeder @ [100] Pts
Heavy Bolter; Assault Cannon

Troops: Ravenwing Attack Squadron (9#, 395 Pts)
1 Ravenwing Attack Squadron @ 395 Pts
Bike Squad; Attack Bike; Land Speeder
5 Bike Squad @ [245] Pts
Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Bolt Pistol (x5); Twin Linked Bolters (x5); Teleport Homer
1 Sergeant @ [65] Pts
Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Bolt Pistol (x1); Power Fist; Twin Linked Bolters (x1); Teleport Homer
1 Attack Bike @ [50] Pts
Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Bolt Pistol (x1); Twin Linked Bolters (x1); Multi-Melta; Teleport Homer
1 Land Speeder @ [100] Pts
Heavy Bolter; Assault Cannon

Troops: Ravenwing Attack Squadron (9#, 395 Pts)
1 Ravenwing Attack Squadron @ 395 Pts
Bike Squad; Attack Bike; Land Speeder
5 Bike Squad @ [245] Pts
Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Bolt Pistol (x5); Twin Linked Bolters (x5); Teleport Homer
1 Sergeant @ [65] Pts
Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Bolt Pistol (x1); Power Fist; Twin Linked Bolters (x1); Teleport Homer
1 Attack Bike @ [50] Pts
Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Bolt Pistol (x1); Twin Linked Bolters (x1); Multi-Melta; Teleport Homer
1 Land Speeder @ [100] Pts
Heavy Bolter; Assault Cannon

Heavy Support: Vindicator (1#, 155 Pts)
1 Vindicator @ 155 Pts
Demolisher Cannon; Storm Bolter; Power of the Machine Spirit; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers

Heavy Support: Predator (1#, 195 Pts)
1 Predator @ 195 Pts
Twin Linked Lascannon; Lascannon (x2); Power of the Machine Spirit; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers

Total Roster Cost: 1740

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What is that about.. 25 models & 5 scoring units

Not much of a fan of the vindicator, seems more like it's in there because you really want one... not because it fits.

Also, the bike squads all need two special weapons, either meltas or flamers.

right now you are a fast army that lays down shitty bolter fire.

The predator doesn't fit either.

If you are going to go all mobile, then do it. No need to be shy, I'd drop the two tanks and add some more speeders or more bikes.

He'll love that idea Matt.....more bikes!!!!*LOL*

Just make sure you have a reason to have the bikes.

All ravenwing is hard to play.

Oh and something I left out, you HAVE to have an apothecary in one your squads, in an all Ravenwing army I'd even take Sammael on his bike - join him to the squad that gets the apothecary, give them 2 flamers (or 2 meltas) + a power fist srg... then go hunting.

Sam's not independant, he's just a guy on a jetbike as far as the rules are concerned. Note, this also means he can be shot to piss (might be why he has the adamantine mantle).

Oh jesus, I never noticed that (goes to check)

Yup! Dear lord that is horrible, speeder it is then folks!

IMO that's just not right.

yeah not good at all.

The landspeeder is pretty much the only option.