another possiblity chaos

This is another possibility

HQ

Chaos lord (170 pts)
Bike, daemon weapon (bloodfeeder), mark of khorne

Elites

Chaos Terminators (180 pts)
5x termies, icon of khorne
Dreadnought (125 pts)
Twinlinked lascannon

Troops

Chaos space marines (255 pts)
9x marines 1x champion
Icon of khorne, powerfist, rhino

Chaos space marines (255 pts)
9x marines 1x champion
Icon of khorne, powerfist, rhino

Plague marines (325 pts)
9x marines 1x champion
Plasma pistol 2x plasma guns, rhino

Fast attack

Bikers (271)
7x bikers
Icon of khorne, meltagun


Heavy

Defiler (150 pts)


Total it comes to 1721 pts let me know

Not a fan of the Dread with Lascannon as at any turn start it can open up on your own Troops with double shots.

The real strength of the basic CSM squads is the ability to take 2 Special Weapons.

Love the Bikes.

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as Marc said, take the two special weapons.

Another thing is extra armor on the rhinos, almost always a must. IMO the bloodfeeder is overkill, and will hurt you occasionally. Overkilling in an assault army can hurt you at times. The dread is kind of pointless looking right now, too easy a target.

See, now I'm a fan of the cheaper Rhino.

Being that its over 34 and under 36 means its expendable. A 15pt upgrade on 2 Rhinos about buys you a third Rhino.

fair enough, but a rhino that cannot move is pretty useless. Especially in an army like this.

Granted I'm from the school of "If I'm not where I need to be by turn 3 I'm screwed anyways"
..so your paper APCs are Obscured T1, motor and smoke T2 and disembark T3

That is true, I dunno, I've had extra armor help me out a lot.

Can't really argue with your logic though.

Think the way Steve told me, it helps for one (1!) roll on the glancing table, and when you get pen'd you're pretty much screwed anyways cause the guys all gotta jump out.

It does help for the mobile wall after they drop off the cargo. Which is pretty useful imo.

Really Rhinos aren't good at all, they are paper boats. If you can think of another way to deliver troops it is almost always better.

With the removal of Infiltrate from the Chaos Troops the addition of a Rhino is a must in this edition.

$0.02

Pods. 'Nuff said.

Chaos Nancy Chaos

Bloughdy blagh blagh. Find a way to Dread Claw then.

yeah, sry kind of forgot they can't pod or infiltrate any more.

Sucks bad...

i think the least is good but like some others said the dread is out of place, maybe an oblit instead if you want a mobile lascannon. and i think 3 rhinos without armour is better than 2 with, but try it and see what you like

glad to see you remember nathan

I do know how to learn from my battles (though insanity dictates me to not follow that learning).