2000 point skaven list

ok here is my 2k skaven list Im working on(cant field it yet but this is my goal I am going to work towards) giveing per unit points costs to help with giveing advice on how to improve, This is based on the Clan skyre list

Lord

Grey seer 535
screeming bell, eye of the horned rat,warpstone amulet, enchanted shield, warp scroll, warpstone token

Hero

Warlock Enginner 135
warlock pistol, war-blades, warp-energy condenser, warp-accumlator, talisman of protection, storm daemon,

Warlock Enginner 145
warlock pistol, war-blades, warp-energy condenser, warp-accumlator, foul pendant, death globe

Warlock Enginner 125
warlock pistol, war-blades, warp-energy condenser, warp-accumlator, tenebrous cloack

Core


25 Clan rats with bell 200
musician, stanard bearer, claw leader, ratling gun

5 warplock jezzals 100

30 clan rats 225
musician, stanard bearer, claw leader, ratling gun

5 warplock jezzals

30 slaves 64
musician

30 slaves 64
musician

2 Rat swarm 45

Special

Warp Lightning Cannon 100

Warp Lightning Cannon 100


Total 1983
Units:128
PD: 15
DD:7

Few notes, each warplock gets 3 dice to use warplightnigh(only spell they can get all the warp stuff giveing it to them and the extra d6), the eye of the horned rat adds a d6 on a roll 2-6 loses one on a 1, and the bell adds 2 power dice to the grey seer, and magic resistance 2 plus immune to psychology to the unit it is in, has a ward save of 3+ and gives the grey seer a 5+ armour save due to ridieng on a chariot rule.

Also Im not postive on how many dispell dice I get off this list help there would be nice and if I messed up on points please let me know I feel like my army is slightly small

Come on people you have to have some thoughts about my list here? any ??????

I don't know how to help, but if the # of DD is the same as 6th edition then: 2 DD base (4 for dwarves), +1 for every level one or two wizard in the army, +2 for every level three or four wizard in the army. And remember that dispel scrolls are useful if you're worried about not having enough dispel dice (remember what happened to Cal's meteor on Sat?)

You're welcome Bruce.

The problem is half my points are sunk into the heros/lord as it is which is the only problem I can see with this list(unless I fail my leadership which I tend to do) Thanks for the info on DD intill toled otherwise I updated my list based off it.

why not take a little bit of power out of your lord and more into cool gadgets like the gatling gun thing and the flamer or even the cannon... you just need a little more power thats all.

i think the warlord is a bit expensive but idk maybe im looking at the wrong person

Clan Skyre without a WLC ..tsk

I would go with the Warlord as my HQ as the higher Leadership is gold.

I'd also think about a BSB to be placed center for those LD rerolls.

You should be fine with 2 Warlocks, WLC and Jezzails. You shouldn't be shooting past turn 3 anyways as targets, line of sight may be hard to come by with all your moving parts.

ya thats a big thing in fantasy... its os hard to shot at a certain point according to who you are playing. so don't go too hard onon the shooting ok.

Huh? what is all the short stuff(wlc is warp lighting cannon) as for the warlord....yuck greyseer would kill him, the most expecive part is the bell which as some great abilties, but yea i might just drop the 3rd warlock and use it to add more troops(maybe drop the gutter runners and the rat swarm and swap for 2 cannons and some apres points....about 25 points spare

that sounds like a good idea but if you get too much troops, even i fantasy, someone will make a numbers proof army. like this saying....

Quote :

Every time some one makes and idiot proof item, they make a better idiot

Thats the point of the cannons and the 2 or 3 warlocks and the grey seer to kill the super tough people with warp lightning plague or the bell to break them with leadership tests every turn I roll a 13 for the bell

i understand the cannon but what if you can't get a spell off... it might be good to add more rat ogres.

Rat Orges!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! they have no save a 5 leadership and cant manage to get themselves though anything the few times I have had to use them peopleeither ignore them till I charge and lose or kill them as a after thought. Im thinking maybe add drop the pistols on the warlocks to free up some points so I could switch the wlc over from the night runners without loseing the rat swarm

Ok so I played around with my list and tryed droping the spears and that gives me enough to swap over the wlc's from the night runners and add another rat swarm without giving anything up and I have 17 spare points not sure what to throw them at....is dropping the spears worth it?

I'd say it comes down to if your comfortable enough in the strength of your cannon fodder skaven. So far it looks like you've desigined you army around heavy hits to begin with and then finishing them off in close combat. Your night runners and warlocks can handle any major character threat or powerful threat so that shouldn't be a problem. Maybe add another rat swarm and use those as fodder to disrupt your enemies movement and lay down your terrible firing power. Other then that right on!

I updated the List to add the wlc and drop the spears off the clan rats it leaves me with 17 points that I have no clue what to throw out
Also due to the skryre set up I can take warlords only greey seer's or warlock masters for lords(or characters)

I can't help you with the 17 points, but it looks like you have a pretty solid list started. I can't wait for you to field it against me .

well Im will have as of saturday half of what I need to field this, so Im working on it

So after some searching(ok about 5 minutes worth) I ran across the uk warhammer gt for 2005-2006, the winner was a skaven list, which was very simlar to this list, a few defernices was the incluseion of night runners and gutter runners, 1 less warlock, and no bell, and more clan rats, the fact that a very close list made it that far supports my idea some(some differny magic iteams also), oh well back to looking for more idea on how I can improve this list

nice! Good to see you collecting ideas form elsewhere too bruce.

yea I got bored so I tried to find a gt list used for skaven and ran across one posted by gamerworkshop, it gives me a few ideas I want to toy with

what did it say?

what do you mean what did it say

Just post a link to the list to appease Cal.