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PostSubject: 1750 Mass IG Army   Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:21 am

Ok, i got bored at work the other night and thought about this army...


50pts: cmd squad,Junior officer melta gun special weapon

Infantry Platoon 1
50pts: cmd squad,Junior officer melta gun special weapon
75pts: Squad with missile launcher
75pts: Squad with missile launcher
75pts: Squad with missile launcher
75pts: Squad with missile launcher
75pts: Squad with missile launcher

Total 425 for one platoon

X4=1700

total army: 1750

20 Missile launchers, 5 melta guns, and 225 guys!!! MWUHAHAHAHA

Watcha all think? pointless? cheesy? or neat?

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PostSubject: Re: 1750 Mass IG Army   Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:29 am

Hmm, that is a lot of dudes. But a lot of kind of pointless dudes, you'll be tripping over yourself on the march towards objectives.

Quite a few armies could chew through all that anyway.

Would be fun to see though, and i think it would perform ok. Hard to justify the dollar cost though Smile

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PostSubject: Re: 1750 Mass IG Army   Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:32 am

I could see it giving some armies fits, especially small elite armies because they just won't be able to stand 20 krak missiles for 6 turns.

However any assault focused army, especially one with some speed will have a giant romp from unit to unit slaughtering from one flank to the other.

Nids or BA would have an awfully fun time fileting gaurdsmen. My 13th company would probably enjoy it as well if I could hug cover for a turn.
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PostSubject: Re: 1750 Mass IG Army   Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:44 pm

I would suggest Mixing in Heavy Bolters... AN my personal Favorite however not too effective is mortars

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PostSubject: Re: 1750 Mass IG Army   Thu Apr 24, 2008 1:12 pm

I remember when you first posed this army to me...it sounds painful until rushed by my jetbikes and pounced by swooping hawks, but still...20 krak missiles...ouch...
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PostSubject: Re: 1750 Mass IG Army   Fri Apr 25, 2008 7:40 pm

Messed around with mass infantry now and then. It can be intereting as a change of pace. Lascannons and Heavy Bolters all the way.

Be ready for painfully long deployment and clean up, although my IG are metal so that probably factors into it.
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PostSubject: Re: 1750 Mass IG Army   Fri Apr 25, 2008 7:48 pm

I think for 5th and for point cost the missile launchers are better

I ran some numbers and frag missiles are actually better against both MEqs and crappy infantry (guard, guants)

The only realm where the HB is king is against like genestealers or carapace armor and such. (Maybe orks, didn't run the numbers)
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PostSubject: Re: 1750 Mass IG Army   Fri Apr 25, 2008 7:57 pm

50 Conscripts ftw! Gotta kill that last guy Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: 1750 Mass IG Army   Fri Apr 25, 2008 8:57 pm

JMarv wrote:
I ran some numbers and frag missiles are actually better against both MEqs and crappy infantry (guard, guants)
I've enjoyed some statistics before. If possilbe please share the assumptions and data. I can PM an email address if that would help.

The choices of heavy weapons are an eternal question. It is something that can be talked at from a lot of prespectives and realistically no definate answer. Other than Mortars pretty much suck. Suspect

From my prespective ever since 3rd ED missile launchers and autocannons were shafted somewhat. With infantry I often take Sharpshooter and that makes for a very nice Laccannon anti-tank AP2 weapon. Even at 10pts less going to str 8 doesn't really do it for me, str 8 is more of an anti-light vehciles. I've popped Power Armor before with Missile Launcher, Ordinance just does it so much better.

The rule of thumb I go by is Las-C for vehicles and battle cannons for infantry.
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PostSubject: Re: 1750 Mass IG Army   Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:12 pm

Sorry, I think there is a slight typo in there, it meant to say missile launchers, with kraks against 3+ armor guys and frags against low save 5 and 6+

The assumptions are that with the new 5th ed rules where blasts don't roll to hit and deviate D6-BS, against a swarm, you will average 3 hits because all partials will hit.

Rereading the post, I believe my wording is wrong since the extra attacks of a HB would be waay better than kraks against infantry

Also I'm not positive on guard prices, but with marines LC + HB costs more than two missile launchers. I'll run some numbers about two missile launchers versus LC + HB against various armor.
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PostSubject: Re: 1750 Mass IG Army   Sat Apr 26, 2008 6:27 am

So I ran the numbers of 1:1 LC:HB vs 2 ML and the results are kinda funny.

I guess overall the LC+HB are better at destroying vehicles. I also ran this based on the 5th Ed damage chart where glances can't destroy.

LC/HB is better against AV 10, 11 and 14. The ML have equal chance of destroying AV 12, but a better chance of immobilizing so they get the tie breaker there. And the ML are flat out better at AV13.

So I guess it really depends on the armor value of the vehicles you will be fighting against.
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PostSubject: Re: 1750 Mass IG Army   Sat Apr 26, 2008 8:08 am

hrmn. are you saying a lascannon and heavy bolter in each ig squad? or do you mean equal numbers of las and HB spread out...
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PostSubject: Re: 1750 Mass IG Army   Sat Apr 26, 2008 8:32 am

equal numbers. Although that combo is still more expensive isn't it? My vote is for all the missile launchers.
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